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Post by btexpress on Aug 8, 2023 13:19:27 GMT
It shouldn't have to be said, but if you want to make a statement about some injustice in your country, do it while wearing your NWSL uniform. NOT while wearing USA.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 14:09:56 GMT
It shouldn't have to be said, but if you want to make a statement about some injustice in your country, do it while wearing your NWSL uniform. NOT while wearing USA. Why? |
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Post by Da Man on Aug 8, 2023 14:23:08 GMT
It shouldn't have to be said, but if you want to make a statement about some injustice in your country, do it while wearing your NWSL uniform. NOT while wearing USA. If you do that, no one will hear you. |
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Post by btexpress on Aug 8, 2023 15:09:48 GMT
It shouldn't have to be said, but if you want to make a statement about some injustice in your country, do it while wearing your NWSL uniform. NOT while wearing USA. Why? The same reason if you choose to work for Team Microsoft, you better not be firing off tweets about how Microsoft sucks. You damage the "brand" in the public's eye, no matter now much of a "right" you have to speak out. Put your money where your mouth is and refuse to wear the uniform if the nation you're representing is acting badly. Anything else is just a have your cake and eat it, too, grab. "I'm happy to get the spotlight and money and fame wearing this uniform provides me . . . but on the other hand I'm fucking ashamed of the things that go on here." For three years the U.S. Soccer Federation felt the same way and required players to stand, then caved in 2020. People heard Kaepernick. Rapinoe's team regularly has crowds in excess of 10,000. At least you'll be protesting an American problem that affects Americans in front of an American audience, not a foreign one. |
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Post by Whitman on Aug 8, 2023 15:12:52 GMT
The same reason if you choose to work for Team Microsoft, you better not be firing off tweets about how Microsoft sucks. You damage the "brand" in the public's eye, no matter now much of a "right" you have to speak out. Put your money where your mouth is and refuse to wear the uniform if the nation you're representing is acting badly. Anything else is just a have your cake and eat it, too, grab. "I'm happy to get the spotlight and money and fame wearing this uniform provides me . . . but on the other hand I'm fucking ashamed of the things that go on here." For three years the U.S. Soccer Federation felt the same way and required players to stand, then caved in 2020. Is that how you feel about this, as well?  |
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Post by btexpress on Aug 8, 2023 15:25:28 GMT
Kind of. Harry Edwards suggested blacks boycott the games (which is in line with my suggestion). The athletes' actions were their compromise.
I wonder what would they have done had they finished fourth and fifth instead of first and third?
I mean, why not just burn a flag? Where is the uncrossable line of protest when representing your country?
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Post by Da Man on Aug 8, 2023 15:49:13 GMT
The same reason if you choose to work for Team Microsoft, you better not be firing off tweets about how Microsoft sucks. You damage the "brand" in the public's eye, no matter now much of a "right" you have to speak out. Put your money where your mouth is and refuse to wear the uniform if the nation you're representing is acting badly. Anything else is just a have your cake and eat it, too, grab. "I'm happy to get the spotlight and money and fame wearing this uniform provides me . . . but on the other hand I'm fucking ashamed of the things that go on here." For three years the U.S. Soccer Federation felt the same way and required players to stand, then caved in 2020. People heard Kaepernick. Rapinoe's team regularly has crowds in excess of 10,000. At least you'll be protesting an American problem that affects Americans in front of an American audience, not a foreign one. Kaepernick was playing in the NFL. I'll bet 98 percent of Americans have no idea there is a women's professional soccer league in this country. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 16:53:29 GMT
The same reason if you choose to work for Team Microsoft, you better not be firing off tweets about how Microsoft sucks. You damage the "brand" in the public's eye, no matter now much of a "right" you have to speak out. Put your money where your mouth is and refuse to wear the uniform if the nation you're representing is acting badly. Anything else is just a have your cake and eat it, too, grab. "I'm happy to get the spotlight and money and fame wearing this uniform provides me . . . but on the other hand I'm fucking ashamed of the things that go on here." For three years the U.S. Soccer Federation felt the same way and required players to stand, then caved in 2020. This seems pretty un-American to me. Your country is not your employer. You don’t surrender your rights for a spot on the national team. Plus, there’s no point to “protesting” on a platform no one can see. Protests are supposed to make waves and make people uncomfortable. |
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Post by gordonbombay on Aug 8, 2023 18:58:08 GMT
I think its kinda bad form and they look like childish egomaniacs.
But they can do it. They should do it if they want to. Thats what makes the USA different from a lot of the countries they think are better than us. You get to wear our uniform and shit on it if you want to without fear of a gulag or losing a finger. This is a good thing.
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Post by btexpress on Aug 8, 2023 21:54:20 GMT
That's all true. And it's also natural --- if not expected --- that a lot of people will root against them because of it.
There are about 200 or so imperfect countries where you have no fear of a gulag or losing a finger --- yet everyone else manages to stand proudly and typically sing along with their anthem. Just like with guns, we're the idiot child outlier.
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Post by Da Man on Aug 8, 2023 22:14:30 GMT
My assumption would be that spoke to a lack of quality scorers on the team. The keeper is probably perfectly fine at it, and the old head isn’t ideal. But when you’ve got a set of utility players behind them, you go with who you go with. That and it has to be the people on the field - you don't get to go into your bench for it. So if you go to as many as 11 PKs, the goalie has to shoot. Obviously this one didn't go that far, so I'm guessing it was a "She's as good at it as any of the other options" decision. There's one other factor than comes into play: Who wants it. I was the (part-time) beat guy covering FC Dallas in 2010, when they advanced to the championship game. During the playoffs, when PKs might come into play to decide things, the coach took a segment of practice (sorry, training) and had every player take PKs to prepare for a possible shootout. That got me thinking, and I wound up doing a big feature story on PKs in the runup to the final. One of the things the coach (not manager -- this is America!) said was he would ask the players who wants to take the kicks, but the answer wasn't really what he was looking for. He said he would watch them, look them in the eye, and would make the decision based in large part on whether a player looked confident, like he wanted to take it, or looked scared and really rather wouldn't. Perhaps the coach looked at who was coming up and decided Naeher looked confident and eager to take the kick. Lord knows the shooters before and after her didn't. |
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Post by Whitman on Aug 8, 2023 22:17:08 GMT
That and it has to be the people on the field - you don't get to go into your bench for it. So if you go to as many as 11 PKs, the goalie has to shoot. Obviously this one didn't go that far, so I'm guessing it was a "She's as good at it as any of the other options" decision. One of the things the coach (not manager -- this is America!) said was he would ask the players who wants to take the kicks, but the answer wasn't really what he was looking for. He said he would watch them, look them in the eye, and would make the decision based in large part on whether a player looked confident, like he wanted to take it, or looked scared and really rather wouldn't.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 23:21:15 GMT
That's all true. And it's also natural --- if not expected --- that a lot of people will root against them because of it. There are about 200 or so imperfect countries where you have no fear of a gulag or losing a finger --- yet everyone else manages to stand proudly and typically sing along with their anthem. Just like with guns, we're the idiot child outlier. It could be argued that grievance IS our national identity, as opposed to some other unifying factor that exists in other countries. |
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Post by btexpress on Aug 9, 2023 2:59:37 GMT
Could be.
Although it's damn monotonous that you can almost predict the grievance in advance and know exactly where everybody stands on it. Once you get to that point . . .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2023 11:13:31 GMT
Could be. Although it's damn monotonous that you can almost predict the grievance in advance and know exactly where everybody stands on it. Once you get to that point . . . Oh, we’ve been at that point for quite some time. |
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