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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2023 23:06:55 GMT
I'm well aware of the rhetoric. I even alluded to it a couple posts ago. And again, I think the gap between a lunatic liberal and the average liberal is closer than you seem to think. Closer than the corresponding gap on the other side, IMO. As for real issues, what do you think about Rachel Levine, not your average Twitter rando, refusing to answer whether transitioning a small child was inappropriate? Do you think the belief is that it is appropriate, or that the refusal is to avoid not angering the "community" and its knee-jerk supporters? Either option is fucked up. I think it’s a very personal decision between parents and their children and their care team and there should be little to no involvement from the federal government. Reserve the right to reconsider if it ever became as rampant as, say, abortion. Which is extremely unlikely. And re-evaluation of one’s opinions is good, not a weakness. This would go faster if you answer the questions I asked! |
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Post by oop on Jun 29, 2023 23:22:19 GMT
And to be clear, I do not think anyone here, even oop , is in favor of exploiting children, but it's clear that many people are afraid to even debate the issue for fear of being labeled a bigot. That just emboldens the fringe. I know it works both ways, and I am willing to admit that my CAPS made me sound a little fringey. Want to get lunch soon? Who is afraid to debate it? YankeeFan keeps pushing the lie that I won't post anything that might piss off extreme liberals, but YF lies almost every time he clicks create post, so I wouldn't take that very seriously. I do have a problem with people like YF, a man who clearly has issues with transgender people, pushing the notion that psychologists should be trying to fix transgender people so they will live by their biological sex rather than their gender. Pushing that on children is dangerous. It is a cause of gender dysphoria and other psychological issues in transgender people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2023 23:35:22 GMT
I think it’s a very personal decision between parents and their children and their care team and there should be little to no involvement from the federal government. Reserve the right to reconsider if it ever became as rampant as, say, abortion. Which is extremely unlikely. And re-evaluation of one’s opinions is good, not a weakness. This would go faster if you answer the questions I asked! Fuck you! I missed the second part of the question. Yes, I think Levine refused to answer for purely political reasons. Interpret that however you wish. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2023 23:36:56 GMT
The thing is, the most radical liberals are already in high government positions. This is largely untrue on the far right. LULZ. |
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Post by oop on Jun 29, 2023 23:43:21 GMT
I’m NOT a fan. I also care not one little bit what someone who exploits or hurts children thinks of me. There’s a lot more lunacy and over-the-top ridiculous rhetoric in mainstream politics than you seem to think. It almost always can be safely dismissed as nonsense, unless it’s the 1 percent of the time it actually involves a real issue and not hot-button garbage. There may be problems that are relatively small, and blown out of proportion for political gain -- trans kids, even illegal immigration, to some degree -- but that doesn't mean that they aren't still problems. And, the whole reason why they become a political problem is that when a conservative operative -- say Chris Rufo or Matt Walsh -- say that we should not be performing double mastectomies on autistic, teen girls, the whole universe does not reply by saying, "well, obviously we shouldn't be doing that, and if it's happening, we need to put a stop to it." Instead, the loudest voices in the room say that such a statement will kill trans kids. They say that it would outlaw "life saving" health care. They say that you are an anti-trans bigot. And, folks like oop are such fucking cowards that they will back down to this bullshit, because they want to please the liberal mob. Which makes all liberals look like psychos, who may not be "coming for your kids" but they also will stand aside for the few that are actually coming for your kids. This whole stupid issue could go away tomorrow if common sense took hold. Funny. I hadn't even gotten that far in the thread and there is that lie again. You tried this lie on the other thread. I clearly demonstrated that you were wrong, so you ran like the little coward that you are, only to try to float it here, too. I know you kept lists of who posted what at the other place. I saw the evidence in things you posted. I thought it was weird, but hey, spend your time how you like. Given that habit of yours, you have to know I got into some long, ugly battles with extreme liberals there. This isn't even ancient history. Twice, I got into it with another poster because I argued that Lia Thomas had no business in women's competition in the NCAA. There are some gray areas when you get into transgender women in sports, but she was 19 when she transitioned. I brought this up on the other thread, too, but you ignored it because you know it proves your false accusation wrong. Regarding the rest of your post, to start with, teen covers a lot of ground. What is okay for a 13-year-old and what is okay for a 19-year old are very different things, but you like lumping them all together because you have that extreme Republican habit of loving any way you can tell as many people as possible what to do with their own bodies, at least when that thing they do is something you don't like. No, I don't think a 13-year-old should be having that surgery. I don't think there is anything wrong with taking transition slow to be certain, but I'm not that child's parent. I'm not their doctor. I'm not their psychologist. I don't know the specifics of their case. That is where the guardrails come in. You love going on and on about parents' rights. Why does that change when parents are doing something you don't like? Seriously, if you have any courage at all, your response to this post will address that question. More importantly, you aren't just pushing back on surgery for teenagers, so stop pushing that lie, you deceitful, hypocritical coward. You are pushing for psychologists push transgender children to adjust to live as their biological sex. In situations that get complicated, you have argued that transgender people should just go back to the way things used to be when you thought everyone was comfortable. Your argument boils down to claiming that things that were okay 10 years ago should still be okay now. That's really easy to say for a 50-something white dude who has no clue what it feels like to be on the wrong end of real bigotry and lacks the empathy to even try to understand. Not everyone who questions children transitioning is an anti-transgender bigot, but man, you clearly are one. You prove it almost daily all over this board. You have also been proving your cowardice for years, at the other place and here, which is why you are throwing the word back at me now. The difference is I've proven time and again that I have zero problem writing things that piss people off and you have a long history of turning tail and running when an argument doesn't go your way. |
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Post by oop on Jun 29, 2023 23:44:14 GMT
I'm well aware of the rhetoric. I even alluded to it a couple posts ago. And again, I think the gap between a lunatic liberal and the average liberal is closer than you seem to think. Closer than the corresponding gap on the other side, IMO. As for real issues, what do you think about Rachel Levine, not your average Twitter rando, refusing to answer whether transitioning a small child was inappropriate? Do you think the belief is that it is appropriate, or that the refusal is to avoid not angering the "community" and its knee-jerk supporters? Either option is fucked up. The thing is, the most radical liberals are already in high government positions. This is largely untrue on the far right. And, the few wacko republicans can't get shit done within their own party. Radical leftists only get stopped by the courts or by republican lawmakers. That's truly fucking hysterical. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 0:30:52 GMT
The thing is, the most radical liberals are already in high government positions. This is largely untrue on the far right. And, the few wacko republicans can't get shit done within their own party. Radical leftists only get stopped by the courts or by republican lawmakers. That's truly fucking hysterical. You're the lunatic in the room wondering who the lunatic is. |
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Post by oop on Jun 30, 2023 2:13:16 GMT
That's truly fucking hysterical. You're the lunatic in the room wondering who the lunatic is. You are the pathetic wannabe kissing up to a lying hypocrite. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Jun 30, 2023 12:39:39 GMT
I love these tips for how to be a good ally.
What a great idea to close out Pride.
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Post by elcircogrande on Jun 30, 2023 12:42:28 GMT
Why would anyone care about being “labeled” a “bigot” by people they hate and think are raving lunatics? He has plenty of firsthand evidence that I'm a raving lunatic. |
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Post by oop on Jun 30, 2023 15:35:29 GMT
There may be problems that are relatively small, and blown out of proportion for political gain -- trans kids, even illegal immigration, to some degree -- but that doesn't mean that they aren't still problems. And, the whole reason why they become a political problem is that when a conservative operative -- say Chris Rufo or Matt Walsh -- say that we should not be performing double mastectomies on autistic, teen girls, the whole universe does not reply by saying, "well, obviously we shouldn't be doing that, and if it's happening, we need to put a stop to it." Instead, the loudest voices in the room say that such a statement will kill trans kids. They say that it would outlaw "life saving" health care. They say that you are an anti-trans bigot. And, folks like oop are such fucking cowards that they will back down to this bullshit, because they want to please the liberal mob. Which makes all liberals look like psychos, who may not be "coming for your kids" but they also will stand aside for the few that are actually coming for your kids. This whole stupid issue could go away tomorrow if common sense took hold. Funny. I hadn't even gotten that far in the thread and there is that lie again. You tried this lie on the other thread. I clearly demonstrated that you were wrong, so you ran like the little coward that you are, only to try to float it here, too. I know you kept lists of who posted what at the other place. I saw the evidence in things you posted. I thought it was weird, but hey, spend your time how you like. Given that habit of yours, you have to know I got into some long, ugly battles with extreme liberals there. This isn't even ancient history. Twice, I got into it with another poster because I argued that Lia Thomas had no business in women's competition in the NCAA. There are some gray areas when you get into transgender women in sports, but she was 19 when she transitioned. I brought this up on the other thread, too, but you ignored it because you know it proves your false accusation wrong. Regarding the rest of your post, to start with, teen covers a lot of ground. What is okay for a 13-year-old and what is okay for a 19-year old are very different things, but you like lumping them all together because you have that extreme Republican habit of loving any way you can tell as many people as possible what to do with their own bodies, at least when that thing they do is something you don't like. No, I don't think a 13-year-old should be having that surgery. I don't think there is anything wrong with taking transition slow to be certain, but I'm not that child's parent. I'm not their doctor. I'm not their psychologist. I don't know the specifics of their case. That is where the guardrails come in. You love going on and on about parents' rights. Why does that change when parents are doing something you don't like? Seriously, if you have any courage at all, your response to this post will address that question. More importantly, you aren't just pushing back on surgery for teenagers, so stop pushing that lie, you deceitful, hypocritical coward. You are pushing for psychologists push transgender children to adjust to live as their biological sex. In situations that get complicated, you have argued that transgender people should just go back to the way things used to be when you thought everyone was comfortable. Your argument boils down to claiming that things that were okay 10 years ago should still be okay now. That's really easy to say for a 50-something white dude who has no clue what it feels like to be on the wrong end of real bigotry and lacks the empathy to even try to understand. Not everyone who questions children transitioning is an anti-transgender bigot, but man, you clearly are one. You prove it almost daily all over this board. You have also been proving your cowardice for years, at the other place and here, which is why you are throwing the word back at me now. The difference is I've proven time and again that I have zero problem writing things that piss people off and you have a long history of turning tail and running when an argument doesn't go your way. the coward is still ducking this one, too. It's a long post, so let's start with the one question I asked him to address first. Why is he only in favor of parents' rights when they make decisions he likes? |
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Post by YankeeFan on Jun 30, 2023 15:47:06 GMT
Sometimes children need to be protected from their parents.
That’s really one of the few responsibilities that government has.
When a mom, with borderline personality disorder and depression, decides that their 1-year-old is trans, that child is at risk. The child should be removed from the home, and be granted a a lawyer to protect their rights.
Let me know if you disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 16:41:25 GMT
Sometimes children need to be protected from their parents. That’s really one of the few responsibilities that government has. When a mom, with borderline personality disorder and depression, decides that their 1-year-old is trans, that child is at risk. The child should be removed from the home, and be granted a a lawyer to protect their rights. Let me know if you disagree. I think oop will respond to this post by writing 1,000 words that make no sense. And IF he says he agrees, the other 998 will contradict that. |
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Post by elcircogrande on Jun 30, 2023 16:48:25 GMT
Sometimes children need to be protected from their parents. That’s really one of the few responsibilities that government has. When a mom, with borderline personality disorder and depression, decides that their 1-year-old is trans, that child is at risk. The child should be removed from the home, and be granted a a lawyer to protect their rights. Let me know if you disagree. At the risk of misinterpreting something by not reading the back and forth preceding this, wasn't one of the major issues of the Trans Kids thread the idea that schools should be required to tell parents if their child says they're trans, regardless of the child's wishes? Are those kids not entitled to protection from their parents? |
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Post by gordonbombay on Jun 30, 2023 17:04:00 GMT
Yeah I dont know “removed from the home” should have a really really really high bar.
Are we removing Baby Gronk from the home? You’re gonna have a hard time, legally, differentiating between ‘This baby might be trans’ and ‘this kid is a mega athlete let me put him on a Marinovich plan’
Either could lead to years of therapy. Parents fuck up kids…. Film at 11
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