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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 17:04:11 GMT
Sometimes children need to be protected from their parents. That’s really one of the few responsibilities that government has. When a mom, with borderline personality disorder and depression, decides that their 1-year-old is trans, that child is at risk. The child should be removed from the home, and be granted a a lawyer to protect their rights. Let me know if you disagree. At the risk of misinterpreting something by not reading the back and forth preceding this, wasn't one of the major issues of the Trans Kids thread the idea that schools should be required to tell parents if their child says they're trans, regardless of the child's wishes? Are those kids not entitled to protection from their parents? This seems pretty silly, since there is no way in hell you'd give in to all your kids' wishes, and you'd be livid if you found out a school was keeping potentially life-altering information from you and your wife. It's a very "progressive" argument, though. Very on brand. 😃
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Post by YankeeFan on Jun 30, 2023 17:08:23 GMT
Sometimes children need to be protected from their parents. That’s really one of the few responsibilities that government has. When a mom, with borderline personality disorder and depression, decides that their 1-year-old is trans, that child is at risk. The child should be removed from the home, and be granted a a lawyer to protect their rights. Let me know if you disagree. At the risk of misinterpreting something by not reading the back and forth preceding this, wasn't one of the major issues of the Trans Kids thread the idea that schools should be required to tell parents if their child says they're trans, regardless of the child's wishes? Are those kids not entitled to protection from their parents? Yes. Parents have rights. Those rights end when they put their children at risk. And, we've seen these parents who are convinced that their child expressed their gender while in the womb, or before they could talk. I'd say a parent of this nature is a grave risk for the child. Let me know if you disagree.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jun 30, 2023 17:10:36 GMT
Yeah I dont know “removed from the home” should have a really really really high bar. Are we removing Baby Gronk from the home? You’re gonna have a hard time, legally, differentiating between ‘This baby might be trans’ and ‘this kid is a mega athlete let me put him on a Marinovich plan’ Either could lead to years of therapy. Parents fuck up kids…. Film at 11 I've seen "Baby Gronk" references on social media, but am unsure as to what it means, so I can't answer the first question. But, a mother, who insists that their infant is trans? And is going to raise that child in the gender that is opposite to their biological sex? Yes. That parent is mentally ill, and is putting their child at risk. Remove the child. 100%.
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Post by gordonbombay on Jun 30, 2023 17:42:32 GMT
Ok how about Dance Moms have you heard of that?
Absent physical abuse you gotta be really really careful throwing around “remove from the home”
Projecting parents ideals onto kids identities is as old as time and snatching kids (to throw them into a garbage system) for some reasons and not others is dangerously vague
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Post by dirtybird on Jun 30, 2023 17:43:56 GMT
Sometimes children need to be protected from their parents. That’s really one of the few responsibilities that government has. Hmmm, what a deeply loaded couple of sentences.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jun 30, 2023 17:57:28 GMT
I’m comfortable with what I’ve said.
There may be ambiguity in some examples of abuse.
With what I am describing, there is no ambiguity. The government is bound to protect the child.
Transitioning an infant is child abuse. Mental and physical.
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Post by oop on Jun 30, 2023 18:13:49 GMT
Sometimes children need to be protected from their parents. That’s really one of the few responsibilities that government has. When a mom, with borderline personality disorder and depression, decides that their 1-year-old is trans, that child is at risk. The child should be removed from the home, and be granted a a lawyer to protect their rights. Let me know if you disagree. Congratulations! Of the four or five discussions you ran from like a coward, you finally sort of answered one of them. Sure, you didn't do it in an honest way, but baby steps. Do you actually have an example of a parent declaring that a one-year-old is trans? Actually, show me multiple examples. I can probably find one example of parents doing all sorts of batshit crazy things to their children. If a parent is unfit, that is a matter for child protection services regardless of what decisions they are making for their child. I'm talking about parents who are legally competent and you gave me a bullshit example to dodge the question. This is a more appropriate hypothetical situation. A 14-year-old wants to transition. There is no evidence of the parents being incompetent. They have had their child meet with a therapist, who has signed off on the transition. Should the child be allowed to move forward with a physical transition with parent approval? What if it is just hormones and they are putting off surgery until later? Everything you have posted suggests you would say that shouldn't be allowed. Your argument for school vouchers is heavily based on the need to let parents make choices for their children. Aside from you approving of the latter decision and not the former, explain why you want to trust parents to do right by their children in one instance and not the other.
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Post by oop on Jun 30, 2023 18:15:30 GMT
Sometimes children need to be protected from their parents. That’s really one of the few responsibilities that government has. When a mom, with borderline personality disorder and depression, decides that their 1-year-old is trans, that child is at risk. The child should be removed from the home, and be granted a a lawyer to protect their rights. Let me know if you disagree. I think oop will respond to this post by writing 1,000 words that make no sense. And IF he says he agrees, the other 998 will contradict that. I'm sorry that your inability to read hampers your ability to understand my posts. I do believe I kept my response under 1,000 words. If you would like me to explain any part of it to you more simply, I will try. Maybe I can find a Kindergarten teacher to put it in terms you might be able to understand.
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Post by oop on Jun 30, 2023 18:18:18 GMT
At the risk of misinterpreting something by not reading the back and forth preceding this, wasn't one of the major issues of the Trans Kids thread the idea that schools should be required to tell parents if their child says they're trans, regardless of the child's wishes? Are those kids not entitled to protection from their parents? Yes. Parents have rights. Those rights end when they put their children at risk. And, we've seen these parents who are convinced that their child expressed their gender while in the womb, or before they could talk. I'd say a parent of this nature is a grave risk for the child. Let me know if you disagree. I agree that something is wrong if a parent takes actions based on what they think the child expressed about their gender while in the womb or before they could talk. Now, would you like to deal with more reasonable situations, or are you going to stick to these extreme examples to try to justify your bigotry?
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Post by oop on Jun 30, 2023 18:19:15 GMT
I’m comfortable with what I’ve said. There may be ambiguity in some examples of abuse. With what I am describing, there is no ambiguity. The government is bound to protect the child. Transitioning an infant is child abuse. Mental and physical. By all means, tell us which poster here argued that point with you? I certainly never did so. You are covering up the more legitimate discussions with this nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 19:07:23 GMT
"Confidence is the prize given to the mediocre."
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Post by dirtybird on Jun 30, 2023 19:16:22 GMT
I’m comfortable with what I’ve said. There may be ambiguity in some examples of abuse. With what I am describing, there is no ambiguity. The government is bound to protect the child. Transitioning an infant is child abuse. Mental and physical. Before I dig into this, was the one year old from an actual news story, or just a hypothetical?
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Post by YankeeFan on Jun 30, 2023 20:46:56 GMT
Look, it’s great that you guys enjoy debating certain topics.
But maybe also consider following the topic in the news.
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Post by dirtybird on Jun 30, 2023 21:20:42 GMT
Ahh good, the pretend expert tone has arrived.
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Post by oop on Jun 30, 2023 21:22:51 GMT
Look, it’s great that you guys enjoy debating certain topics. But maybe also consider following the topic in the news. Damn. I knew that was going to be your response, but I didn't bother to post as much. Humor us. You love posting shit you find online, even things you didn't bother to read. If this is so prevalent, you should have no problem finding something to post. It's not that I don't trust you that response would be a good way to avoid having to actually back up your claim. Oh wait. It's exactly that. You lie so often on here that nobody with a shred of sense would trust you, so post the link. When you are done with that, how about getting back to the rest of it. Which poster here ever said that transitioning an infant was acceptable? That was the implication of your post, but I'd like to see you back that up. I'd also like to see you back up your claim that I will back anything extreme liberals come up with. Sure, I've presented ample evidence to prove that is false, but you have refused my challenge to support your claim. Then answer my more reasonable hypothetical, the one about a 14-year-old who wants to transition and has the support of their parents and a psychological evaluation. I know it's asking a lot, but you do have a habit of tossing around false claims and then running like a coward when you can't support what you wrote. Check your notifications. You owe a few responses.
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