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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 18, 2023 20:53:19 GMT
Right. And no right-thinking person would agree that some of those atrocities should be permissible, because they are ostensibly grounded in religion. There is something that bothers people about homosexuality on a visceral level. Religion just affirms it. Part of that is being raised with the idea that it is wrong. This is especially true for men. It was treated as something shameful when I was growing up. The media plays a role, too. Homosexuality was rarely depicted at all in movies and television until relatively recently. Even advertising ignored that community, though it has swung heavily the other direction in recent years. Will & Grace, a network show, debuted in 1998, was a hit and ran for 11 seasons. A good show/movie with gay characters could do well. Blame Hollywood if gay characters weren’t well represented, not the audience, that had already demonstrated their willingness to embrace such characters/shows. |
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Post by gordonbombay on Jan 18, 2023 21:32:10 GMT
Twitter hockey fans should be "taken more seriously" than the people who banded together to attempt to stage an overthrow of the United States government? Im not referring to the fans but to the Athletic writers Canadian TV anchors and Greg Whyshinski |
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Post by oop on Jan 18, 2023 22:27:04 GMT
Part of that is being raised with the idea that it is wrong. This is especially true for men. It was treated as something shameful when I was growing up. The media plays a role, too. Homosexuality was rarely depicted at all in movies and television until relatively recently. Even advertising ignored that community, though it has swung heavily the other direction in recent years. Will & Grace, a network show, debuted in 1998, was a hit and ran for 11 seasons. A good show/movie with gay characters could do well. Blame Hollywood if gay characters weren’t well represented, not the audience, that had already demonstrated their willingness to embrace such characters/shows. What did you think I meant when I wrote that the media plays a role? Of course, I was blaming the people who made those movies, shows, and commercials, not the audience. That said, one hit show does not mean everyone was ready for it back then. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 22:39:48 GMT
The jury is still very much out on how much of the audience has “demonstrated their willingness to embrace” gay characters and gay movies.
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Post by oop on Jan 18, 2023 22:45:52 GMT
The jury is still very much out on how much of the audience has “demonstrated their willingness to embrace” gay characters and gay movies. I think there is more of an audience for that now than there used to be, but there is still a risk of turning off some part of a movie or show's potential audience. There is also risk in not being inclusive enough, both short-term financial and the long run in possibly pissing off the wrong people. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 18, 2023 22:49:50 GMT
It’s weird to say that America wasn’t ready to embrace a gay character when the lead character of a hit, network, sitcom was embraced by America.
If they’d embrace Will, they’d embrace other well written gay characters.
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 22:52:30 GMT
The new M. Night Shyamalan movie features a gay couple and their child. (As did the book.)
Them being gay wasn't a major part of the novel, other than giving the characters something to speculate about regarding the motive of the home invaders.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 22:59:05 GMT
Weren’t a lot of people mad that a gay interracial teenager was a main character in the last Disney movie?
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 23:07:32 GMT
Weren’t a lot of people mad that a gay interracial teenager was a main character in the last Disney movie? Yes, including my co-worker. She was also mad it depicted an inter-racial couple kissing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 23:42:34 GMT
Wasn’t there also a coordinated online attack on the gay movie made by the guy from Parks and Rec?
I know that was the subject of much lulz around here.
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 23:53:03 GMT
Wasn’t there also a coordinated online attack on the gay movie made by the guy from Parks and Rec? I know that was the subject of much lulz around here.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 0:00:55 GMT
I also remember the freakin’ U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, among others, trying to get Brokeback Mountain banned.
To be fair, that included some gay groups that were mad about the casting of straight actors.
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Post by asthecrowflies on Jan 19, 2023 0:26:01 GMT
I will say issues like this have made me reconsider my eye-rolling at the slippery slope arguments made years ago.
It's taken about 25 years to go from 'Leave me alone in my bedroom' - which a large majority of Americans agree with - to 'YOU MUST ACTIVELY CELEBRATE THE GAYS AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY OR YOU WILL BE OSTRACIZED FROM POLITE SOCIETY.' I honestly didn't believe that progression would happen back in the 1990s when the gay-rights wagon was really gaining steam.
I fully expect churches to be stripped of tax-exempt status by about 2040 if they don't allow gay clergy and have gay weddings.
There's no live and let live anymore. I'm not sure that's a good thing, but apparently I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 0:31:52 GMT
We cannot allow even a single person to disagree with anything if we want to have a truly tolerant society.
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Post by doctorquant on Jan 19, 2023 0:42:27 GMT
I also remember the freakin’ U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, among others, trying to get Brokeback Mountain banned. I suppose this makes me a terrible person, but the "Brokeback Woody" meme that's bouncing around out there on the interwebs makes me literally laugh out loud. |
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