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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 18:45:12 GMT
I suspect Provorov is a lunkhead who just dislikes LGBTQs on all levels who is using religion as a catch all explanation However if his concerns were what YF articulated about the wideness of the movement, if I were his agent, I’d advise him not to bother saying so out loud or trying to explain that. Nothing is good enough for these people anyway. Opposing surgery for minors is bigoted transphobia and violence, etc etc Yeah, I mean, there are extremists on Twitter. I agree. There was also a time when 1/3 or more of voters for the other side believed that Hillary Clinton and Tom Hanks ritualistically drank children's blood, and that Trump would be restored to the presidency on the same day that they were publicly executed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 18:49:45 GMT
To sum up, we are a nation of overly reactive morons.
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Post by Da Man on Jan 18, 2023 18:50:02 GMT
LOL. You know what I'm against? Legalized sports betting. You really are? I don't give a shit about the betting, but I wish they'd ban gambling ads like they did for cigarette ads. Not because of morality, but because I'm fucking sick of every other commercial on every sports event broadcast being some lame, stupid ad for an online book. |
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Post by Da Man on Jan 18, 2023 18:56:13 GMT
In a work place tho, as a hockey coach, do you want to wade into religious choice? It IS different than the anthem for that reason, religion being more protected and more of a third rail. Yes its a cop out by Provorov, like it was a cop out for a lot of anti vaxxers, but people use it as a cop out because it works I am just curious about where the line is. Provorov cites his religion as an opt-out here - I sure wish he would have articulated it as well as @yankee fan (with my help) did. At some point, I think everyone agrees that there are things you can't justify on religious grounds - say, again, opposition to inter-racial marriage. Or some of the loony toon misogynist polices in place in countries like Saudi Arabia. I wish he had said, "Because I don't want to," and left it at that. |
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 18:57:20 GMT
I am just curious about where the line is. Provorov cites his religion as an opt-out here - I sure wish he would have articulated it as well as @yankee fan (with my help) did. At some point, I think everyone agrees that there are things you can't justify on religious grounds - say, again, opposition to inter-racial marriage. Or some of the loony toon misogynist polices in place in countries like Saudi Arabia. I wish he had said, "Because I don't want to," and left it at that. What if it were inter-racial marriage night and he did and said that? |
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Post by Da Man on Jan 18, 2023 18:58:24 GMT
I wish he had said, "Because I don't want to," and left it at that. What if it were inter-racial marriage night and he did and said that? Don't know and don't care. Edit: I don't care about this kerfuffle, either. I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather sports stay out of the changing-the-world and making-a-statement business. |
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Post by oop on Jan 18, 2023 18:58:45 GMT
That argument HAS been used to justify/rationalize much greater atrocities than this. People doing terrible things in the name of “religion” is as old as religion itself. Right. And no right-thinking person would agree that some of those atrocities should be permissible, because they are ostensibly grounded in religion. There is something that bothers people about homosexuality on a visceral level. Religion just affirms it. Part of that is being raised with the idea that it is wrong. This is especially true for men. It was treated as something shameful when I was growing up. The media plays a role, too. Homosexuality was rarely depicted at all in movies and television until relatively recently. Even advertising ignored that community, though it has swung heavily the other direction in recent years. |
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Post by oop on Jan 18, 2023 18:59:17 GMT
None of the world's other religions are reasonable guides to moral behavior? I said "some of." That is why I asked it as a question. I thought I was missing something, and in this case, it was a couple of words. |
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 18:59:38 GMT
I don't give a shit about the betting, but I wish they'd ban gambling ads like they did for cigarette ads. Not because of morality, but because I'm fucking sick of every other commercial on every sports event broadcast being some lame, stupid ad for an online book. I'm only a casual sports better, but it's the way that spectator sports are going to survive into the rest of this century. Fans need to be engaged in this day and age with so many other entertainment options. Most people realize it doesn't mean an actual whit to their busy existence whether the Chicago Bears win on a given Sunday. But it can. |
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 19:00:18 GMT
That is why I asked it as a question. I thought I was missing something. And you realize now you were missing something? |
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 19:01:51 GMT
Right. And no right-thinking person would agree that some of those atrocities should be permissible, because they are ostensibly grounded in religion. There is something that bothers people about homosexuality on a visceral level. Religion just affirms it. Part of that is being raised with the idea that it is wrong. This is especially true for men. It was treated as something shameful when I was growing up. It was always something that was made fun of. "Ha, ha! Look at those losers getting 10 times as much sex as the rest of us!" |
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Post by gordonbombay on Jan 18, 2023 19:46:58 GMT
I suspect Provorov is a lunkhead who just dislikes LGBTQs on all levels who is using religion as a catch all explanation However if his concerns were what YF articulated about the wideness of the movement, if I were his agent, I’d advise him not to bother saying so out loud or trying to explain that. Nothing is good enough for these people anyway. Opposing surgery for minors is bigoted transphobia and violence, etc etc Yeah, I mean, there are extremists on Twitter. I agree. There was also a time when 1/3 or more of voters for the other side believed that Hillary Clinton and Tom Hanks ritualistically drank children's blood, and that Trump would be restored to the presidency on the same day that they were publicly executed. The QAnons generally arent dictating sports discourse or advocating for players to be fined benched or otherwise shamed though. QAnons hide in the corner, a lot of these angry Twitter people are media professionals actually trying to influence the NHL, so they should be taken more seriously. Or maybe they shouldn’t and that’s on us for not ignoring their bullshit, I dont know |
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 19:54:50 GMT
Twitter hockey fans should be "taken more seriously" than the people who banded together to attempt to stage an overthrow of the United States government?
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Post by oop on Jan 18, 2023 20:06:57 GMT
That is why I asked it as a question. I thought I was missing something. And you realize now you were missing something? Yeah. I was interrupted when I was typing out my last post. I was wondering because it didn't seem like something you would post. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 20:41:04 GMT
I hate sounding like a broken record, but if you’re on Twitter ranting about anything, there’s a 99.8 percent chance you’re completely full of shit and can be safely disregarded.
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