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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 15:58:54 GMT
There’s a little bit of history here that could explain why the guy wasn’t benched.
John Tortorella was very mad when people knelt for the national anthem and said he’d bench any of his players who did so.
Then, he changed his mind (flip-flopped!) and even advocated for a (LOL) pre-game period of reflection on racial inequality.
This instance is likely part of the same overcorrection.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 18, 2023 16:04:24 GMT
Of course. Like the lottery, and cigarets, it's a tax on the poor. Unlike the lottery, it's not run by the government. But is heavily taxed, like cigarettes. The government is a silent partner. |
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Post by gordonbombay on Jan 18, 2023 16:07:13 GMT
Those people are dopes and if they suggested benching Bron over it they were laughed at. Calls for benching the Rusky should be laughed at too I’m laughing at them, for what it’s worth. But I’m not welcome on “left-wing hockey Twitter.” I cant stand left wing hockey twitter and i admit my inclination to say “who gives a shit” about Provorov is tainted by that Really though across the whole culture war thing, I take issue with every little thing being called called bigotry and a slur. Skipping jersey night is NOT the same as going around calling people the F word. There are degrees and these nutzos trample all over that, to the detriment of any progress |
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 16:21:06 GMT
I’m laughing at them, for what it’s worth. But I’m not welcome on “left-wing hockey Twitter.” I cant stand left wing hockey twitter and i admit my inclination to say “who gives a shit” about Provorov is tainted by that Really though across the whole culture war thing, I take issue with every little thing being called called bigotry and a slur. Skipping jersey night is NOT the same as going around calling people the F word. There are degrees and these nutzos trample all over that, to the detriment of any progress Oh, sure. But on the issue of gay marriage, kiddie drag shows, etc., I just don't think that calling it a "religious choice" and that ending the argument carries any weight, for me. Because you can essentially use that argument to justify/rationalize anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 16:25:52 GMT
Oh, sure. But on the issue of gay marriage, kiddie drag shows, etc., I just don't think that calling it a "religious choice" and that ending the argument carries any weight, for me. Because you can essentially use that argument to justify/rationalize anything. That argument HAS been used to justify/rationalize much greater atrocities than this. People doing terrible things in the name of “religion” is as old as religion itself. |
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 16:28:00 GMT
(I think people intuitively feel like Christianity is generally a reasonable guide to moral behavior, and they don't necessarily believe the same about some of the world's other religions. And they would be right about that - generally. I still don't think it's an argument-ender, though. It's just a trumped up "appeal to authority.")
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 16:29:46 GMT
Oh, sure. But on the issue of gay marriage, kiddie drag shows, etc., I just don't think that calling it a "religious choice" and that ending the argument carries any weight, for me. Because you can essentially use that argument to justify/rationalize anything. That argument HAS been used to justify/rationalize much greater atrocities than this. People doing terrible things in the name of “religion” is as old as religion itself. Right. And no right-thinking person would agree that some of those atrocities should be permissible, because they are ostensibly grounded in religion. There is something that bothers people about homosexuality on a visceral level. Religion just affirms it. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 18, 2023 17:10:23 GMT
Ridiculous.
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Post by oop on Jan 18, 2023 17:11:46 GMT
(I think people intuitively feel like Christianity is generally a reasonable guide to moral behavior, and they don't necessarily believe the same about some of the world's other religions. And they would be right about that - generally. I still don't think it's an argument-ender, though. It's just a trumped up "appeal to authority.") None of the world's other religions are reasonable guides to moral behavior? |
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 17:13:36 GMT
(I think people intuitively feel like Christianity is generally a reasonable guide to moral behavior, and they don't necessarily believe the same about some of the world's other religions. And they would be right about that - generally. I still don't think it's an argument-ender, though. It's just a trumped up "appeal to authority.") None of the world's other religions are reasonable guides to moral behavior? I said "some of." |
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Post by gordonbombay on Jan 18, 2023 17:32:56 GMT
I cant stand left wing hockey twitter and i admit my inclination to say “who gives a shit” about Provorov is tainted by that Really though across the whole culture war thing, I take issue with every little thing being called called bigotry and a slur. Skipping jersey night is NOT the same as going around calling people the F word. There are degrees and these nutzos trample all over that, to the detriment of any progress Oh, sure. But on the issue of gay marriage, kiddie drag shows, etc., I just don't think that calling it a "religious choice" and that ending the argument carries any weight, for me. Because you can essentially use that argument to justify/rationalize anything. In a work place tho, as a hockey coach, do you want to wade into religious choice? It IS different than the anthem for that reason, religion being more protected and more of a third rail. Yes its a cop out by Provorov, like it was a cop out for a lot of anti vaxxers, but people use it as a cop out because it works |
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Post by TheSportsPredictor on Jan 18, 2023 17:36:03 GMT
Send that commie back to Russia so he can help Putin conquer Ukraine. The Russian Orthodox Church believes gay pride and gay pride parades in Ukraine are part of the reason why Russia invaded.
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Post by Whitman on Jan 18, 2023 17:39:11 GMT
Oh, sure. But on the issue of gay marriage, kiddie drag shows, etc., I just don't think that calling it a "religious choice" and that ending the argument carries any weight, for me. Because you can essentially use that argument to justify/rationalize anything. In a work place tho, as a hockey coach, do you want to wade into religious choice? It IS different than the anthem for that reason, religion being more protected and more of a third rail. Yes its a cop out by Provorov, like it was a cop out for a lot of anti vaxxers, but people use it as a cop out because it works I am just curious about where the line is. Provorov cites his religion as an opt-out here - I sure wish he would have articulated it as well as @yankee fan (with my help) did. At some point, I think everyone agrees that there are things you can't justify on religious grounds - say, again, opposition to inter-racial marriage. Or some of the loony toon misogynist polices in place in countries like Saudi Arabia. |
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Post by gordonbombay on Jan 18, 2023 18:40:09 GMT
I suspect Provorov is a lunkhead who just dislikes LGBTQs on all levels who is using religion as a catch all explanation
However if his concerns were what YF articulated about the wideness of the movement, if I were his agent, I’d advise him not to bother saying so out loud or trying to explain that.
Nothing is good enough for these people anyway. Opposing surgery for minors is bigoted transphobia and violence, etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2023 18:43:53 GMT
Send that commie back to Russia so he can help Putin conquer Ukraine. The Russian Orthodox Church believes gay pride and gay pride parades in Ukraine are part of the reason why Russia invaded. Gay people have The Kavorka.  |
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