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Post by batman on Jul 28, 2018 2:26:50 GMT
Doesn’t know a thing, but she’s not unlikable. You are looking right there at the 2028 Democrat Party presidential nominee. And if she was 38 instead of 28, she'd be the 2020 nominee. All the lunacy of Bernie Sanders in a more demographically appealing package.
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Post by lcjjdnh on Jul 28, 2018 16:39:26 GMT
So I don't mind Warren* and tried reading this article, but some of the lines made it a little tough to get through, e.g. *And, as I feel the need to reliably make clear in every post, do not like Trump one bit.
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Post by xanadu on Jul 28, 2018 16:50:28 GMT
Regardless, "Pocohontas" is really fucking stupid and it says pretty much everything about Trump that he keeps trotting it out as a badge of honor.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 28, 2018 21:32:35 GMT
Global warming might help.
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Post by DonnyShutsTheFuckUp on Jul 29, 2018 1:20:26 GMT
Now do Vermont.
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Post by xanadu on Jul 29, 2018 10:19:28 GMT
Especially Southern Vermont.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 15:04:10 GMT
CNN spent at least 10 minutes today on Trump’s “Diet Coke Obsession.” Why is this considered such a signal? And of what?
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Post by Liberal White Women on Jul 29, 2018 16:39:15 GMT
Everyone knows he should switch to Coke Zero. Real Taste. Zero election hacking.
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Post by scout on Jul 30, 2018 2:50:48 GMT
So in 2020, let’s say Trump wants to run again, but the GOP trots our someone to run against him in the primaries. Let’s say it’s Mitt, or just choose a GOP upstart v
How many of you vote for Trump? How many are all in on him?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 3:44:22 GMT
So in 2020, let’s say Trump wants to run again, but the GOP trots our someone to run against him in the primaries. Let’s say it’s Mitt, or just choose a GOP upstart v How many of you vote for Trump? How many are all in on him? Shit, I pulled the lever for Egg McMuffin last time out. I'll vote for damn near anyone not named Trump or Clinton (or Obama, or Bush).
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Post by batman on Jul 30, 2018 4:24:29 GMT
So in 2020, let’s say Trump wants to run again, but the GOP trots our someone to run against him in the primaries. Let’s say it’s Mitt, or just choose a GOP upstart v How many of you vote for Trump? How many are all in on him? I voted for Cruz in the primaries last time. Almost voted for myself in the general, but ultimately pulled the lever for Trump because I would never under any circumstances for Hillary. Depends on the candidate, but I might vote for someone other than Trump in a 2020 primary. If the Dems run Biden in 2020, maybe I'd vote for him. I would have last time even though I wouldn't have liked it. I doubt he gets the nomination in 2020, though. The way things are going he's too sane for the Democrat base, which is part of the reason I'm dreading the 2020 election. It feels like a no-win scenario. If Trump wins, it's validation that that sort of dysfunction works. If he loses, it's validation to the crazies on the left (I'm talking the types that are banning drinking straws) that their brand of dysfunction works. Either way, the sane among us are pretty well fucked and forgotten. Can we just cordon off one state and let the crazies on either side duke it out there?
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Post by scout on Jul 30, 2018 4:58:06 GMT
I was at a beach in Portland, Maine last week and filled a garbage bag with plastic that had washed up from the ocean the night before. This was about a 300 yard stretch.
There’s a lot of things to disagree about, but plastic straws are way down the list.
We have metal ones in our house now. We just wash them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 5:05:12 GMT
So in 2020, let’s say Trump wants to run again, but the GOP trots our someone to run against him in the primaries. Let’s say it’s Mitt, or just choose a GOP upstart v How many of you vote for Trump? How many are all in on him? I voted for Cruz in the primaries last time. Almost voted for myself in the general, but ultimately pulled the lever for Trump because I would never under any circumstances for Hillary. Depends on the candidate, but I might vote for someone other than Trump in a 2020 primary. If the Dems run Biden in 2020, maybe I'd vote for him. I would have last time even though I wouldn't have liked it. I doubt he gets the nomination in 2020, though. The way things are going he's too sane for the Democrat base, which is part of the reason I'm dreading the 2020 election. It feels like a no-win scenario. If Trump wins, it's validation that that sort of dysfunction works. If he loses, it's validation to the crazies on the left (I'm talking the types that are banning drinking straws) that their brand of dysfunction works. Either way, the sane among us are pretty well fucked and forgotten. Can we just cordon off one state and let the crazies on either side duke it out there? Everyone loves tweets!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 14:02:00 GMT
So in 2020, let’s say Trump wants to run again, but the GOP trots our someone to run against him in the primaries. Let’s say it’s Mitt, or just choose a GOP upstart v How many of you vote for Trump? How many are all in on him? I voted for Cruz in the primaries last time. Almost voted for myself in the general, but ultimately pulled the lever for Trump because I would never under any circumstances for Hillary. Depends on the candidate, but I might vote for someone other than Trump in a 2020 primary. If the Dems run Biden in 2020, maybe I'd vote for him. I would have last time even though I wouldn't have liked it. I doubt he gets the nomination in 2020, though. The way things are going he's too sane for the Democrat base, which is part of the reason I'm dreading the 2020 election. It feels like a no-win scenario. If Trump wins, it's validation that that sort of dysfunction works. If he loses, it's validation to the crazies on the left (I'm talking the types that are banning drinking straws) that their brand of dysfunction works. Either way, the sane among us are pretty well fucked and forgotten. Can we just cordon off one state and let the crazies on either side duke it out there? YankeeFan is always telling me that I'm going to start voting Republican. (I consider myself independent, but almost exclusively have voted, in practice, for Democrats.) The plastic straws thing is a nice example of why that's unlikely to happen. You're a pretty thoughtful guy, politically, but dismissing this kind of regulation out of hand as "crazy" is short-sighted. It's easy to point at someone's small plastic straw, that seems insignificant, and frame it as "crazy" that environmentalists would want to regulate it out of existence. But this isn't the nanny state telling you what size of soda you can drink. The idea of externalities is a foundation of economics, i.e. that people use products and don't pay the entire freight for them. Some of the cost is shoved off on other people, unwittingly. In aggregate, plastic straws - and bottles and many, many other plastic products -are an environmental catastrophe. I'm not saying every liberal environmental restriction should be accepted without analysis. But to line up against one because it seems crazy to you, I don't agree with that, either. We can't just keep dumping whatever we want into a fragile ecosystem. Republicans' dismissal of environmental concerns ... man, I just don't get it.
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Post by lcjjdnh on Jul 30, 2018 14:33:38 GMT
I voted for Cruz in the primaries last time. Almost voted for myself in the general, but ultimately pulled the lever for Trump because I would never under any circumstances for Hillary. Depends on the candidate, but I might vote for someone other than Trump in a 2020 primary. If the Dems run Biden in 2020, maybe I'd vote for him. I would have last time even though I wouldn't have liked it. I doubt he gets the nomination in 2020, though. The way things are going he's too sane for the Democrat base, which is part of the reason I'm dreading the 2020 election. It feels like a no-win scenario. If Trump wins, it's validation that that sort of dysfunction works. If he loses, it's validation to the crazies on the left (I'm talking the types that are banning drinking straws) that their brand of dysfunction works. Either way, the sane among us are pretty well fucked and forgotten. Can we just cordon off one state and let the crazies on either side duke it out there? YankeeFan is always telling me that I'm going to start voting Republican. (I consider myself independent, but almost exclusively have voted, in practice, for Democrats.) The plastic straws thing is a nice example of why that's unlikely to happen. You're a pretty thoughtful guy, politically, but dismissing this kind of regulation out of hand as "crazy" is short-sighted. It's easy to point at someone's small plastic straw, that seems insignificant, and frame it as "crazy" that environmentalists would want to regulate it out of existence. But this isn't the nanny state telling you what size of soda you can drink. The idea of externalities is a foundation of economics, i.e. that people use products and don't pay the entire freight for them. Some of the cost is shoved off on other people, unwittingly. In aggregate, plastic straws - and bottles and many, many other plastic products -are an environmental catastrophe. I'm not saying every liberal environmental restriction should be accepted without analysis. But to line up against one because it seems crazy to you, I don't agree with that, either. We can't just keep dumping whatever we want into a fragile ecosystem. Republicans' dismissal of environmental concerns ... man, I just don't get it. I do think there are many mainstream Republicans who are tragically indifferent to the environment. But I also think that there are plenty of smart Republicans who do not dismiss out of hand environmental concerns, but rather are skeptical of environmental regulations--for the very same reasons (externalities) you raise here. For example, you claim that "plastic products" are an "environmental catastrophe" and that "[w]e can't just keep dumping whatever we want into a fragile ecosystem." Fair enough. But there are also externalities associated with moving away from plastic--namely, that it's much more energy efficient to produce plastic bags, for example, than paper or even reusable ones. (The economist claims that studies show you'd need to use a cloth bag about 200 times--and not lose it, or tear it, etc.--before it becomes more environmentally sound than using a plastic one.) So I think some of the skepticism of regulations comes from people who, while aware of the concerns, are also on the look out for potential unintended consequences. So just as Republicans should line up against environmental regulations just because they "seem[]" crazy to them, liberals should be wary about supporting them just because they don't.
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