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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 21:49:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 21:56:22 GMT
I don't know that Trump has jack shit to do with either the stock market being up or the stock market being down. Probably not a whole lot in either case. But as quick as he is to declare victory in areas like this, well, fuck him. |
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Post by doctorquant on Dec 21, 2018 22:04:03 GMT
As governing philosophies go, you could do worse. |
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on Dec 21, 2018 22:23:20 GMT
Interesting look at Obamacare from the Associated Press. The individual mandate has only a small effect on how the marketplace and the program respond. After the first couple years of grousing, people realized they like having health insurance. www.apnews.com/9d69db06e0164f0292ed4f12bef46fb0That hack Texas judge’s ruling is pretty much certain to be overturned, which is really what the GOP has to be hoping for. They can scream and pound the table about it and keep it as an issue to rally the base. But the last thing they want is to be the ones who end this program. Non of these stories seem to look at the actual cost. Unless you qualify for subsidies, Obamacare costs are outrageous
for crappy coverage. As example in Ct the avg cost for a bronze plan to cover a family of four is $2400 a month
with an annual $13,000 deductible. That means that before a person sees their first nickle of reimbursement your
out of pocket cost is $37,000 annual. So much for the "Affordable Care Act".
Again cost is a much overlooked story that will soon become a larger one.
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Post by Wolfenstein on Dec 21, 2018 22:32:52 GMT
I shudder to think about those family plans. I did use Obamacare for an individual package for a short time, and I thought it did the job.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 23:20:53 GMT
Interesting look at Obamacare from the Associated Press. The individual mandate has only a small effect on how the marketplace and the program respond. After the first couple years of grousing, people realized they like having health insurance. www.apnews.com/9d69db06e0164f0292ed4f12bef46fb0That hack Texas judge’s ruling is pretty much certain to be overturned, which is really what the GOP has to be hoping for. They can scream and pound the table about it and keep it as an issue to rally the base. But the last thing they want is to be the ones who end this program. Non of these stories seem to look at the actual cost. Unless you qualify for subsidies, Obamacare costs are outrageous
for crappy coverage. As example in Ct the avg cost for a bronze plan to cover a family of four is $2400 a month
with an annual $13,000 deductible. That means that before a person sees their first nickle of reimbursement your
out of pocket cost is $37,000 annual. So much for the "Affordable Care Act".
Again cost is a much overlooked story that will soon become a larger one.
I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers or if you’re just Booming it. But I went to the insurer’s website and punched in a family of four in Hartford making $150,000. The bronze plan costs $1,100/mo with a $12,000 deductible. At an income of $100,000, the premium drops to $700/mo and the deductible to $9,000. I’m not sure who you’re talking about in your scenario, but the population is very low of people who make well above $200,000 (what it must cost to get to the numbers you’re citing) and have a family and don’t have employer-sponsored health insurance. And what were those families paying before Obamacare? Probably that or more if they were buying on the open market. |
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Post by doctorquant on Dec 21, 2018 23:27:17 GMT
I don't know ... lotta small business people, basically sole contractors, make pretty good livings and get eaten alive by health insurance. My buddy here is probably ballpark $200K, and it's just his wife and 21YO son on his plan ... runs him something like $3K and change a month and has a HUGE deductible.
Now he was likely paying a lot, to be sure, prior to the ACA ... but he had the option to get a very no-frills plan that the ACA made verboten.
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 21, 2018 23:34:44 GMT
We've hit our max out of pocket every year since Fiona was born.
Hopefully we're at the end of that stage of our lives, but it's been expensive as hell.
Since none of the ACA plans offered the last two years -- or next year -- include the hospital where she had her surgery, and needs to get her followup treatments, we buy a private HMO plan, and need to get permission to go out of network every time we see a doctor there.
We had to change her pediatrician after year one. We liked her. We do now like her new pediatrician -- whose got to be at least 80-years-old -- so we do what we can to keep him.
It's a fucking mess.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 0:04:50 GMT
I liked previously having insurance that I could afford and keep my doctor of 15 years. Another convert for single payer! I’ll tell AOC and Bernie. Fucccccccck that shit. Give me back what I had prior to BO's incessant meddling.
I want a catastrophic health insurance plan, which I am not allowed to have.
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on Dec 22, 2018 0:25:13 GMT
Non of these stories seem to look at the actual cost. Unless you qualify for subsidies, Obamacare costs are outrageous
for crappy coverage. As example in Ct the avg cost for a bronze plan to cover a family of four is $2400 a month
with an annual $13,000 deductible. That means that before a person sees their first nickle of reimbursement your
out of pocket cost is $37,000 annual. So much for the "Affordable Care Act".
Again cost is a much overlooked story that will soon become a larger one.
I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers or if you’re just Booming it. But I went to the insurer’s website and punched in a family of four in Hartford making $150,000. The bronze plan costs $1,100/mo with a $12,000 deductible. At an income of $100,000, the premium drops to $700/mo and the deductible to $9,000. I’m not sure who you’re talking about in your scenario, but the population is very low of people who make well above $200,000 (what it must cost to get to the numbers you’re citing) and have a family and don’t have employer-sponsored health insurance. And what were those families paying before Obamacare? Probably that or more if they were buying on the open market. Real costs from my brother n law . Owns business. Income $200k both he and wife over 50. Premiums have doubled in past 3 years. Link to site you used? Parameters you put in? Some states better than others. CT sucks. NYS actually really good. You can get platinum plan for family of 4 in $1500 range. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 22, 2018 0:45:22 GMT
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Post by frantic on Dec 22, 2018 1:24:00 GMT
She's a tough woman, hope she recovers from this: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg underwent a pulmonary lobectomy today at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York City. Two nodules in the lower lobe of her left lung were discovered incidentally during tests performed at George Washington University Hospital to diagnose and treat rib fractures sustained in a fall on November 7. According to the thoracic surgeon, Valerie W. Rusch, MD, FACS, both nodules removed during surgery were found to be malignant on initial pathology evaluation. Post-surgery, there was no evidence of any remaining disease. Scans performed before surgery indicated no evidence of disease elsewhere in the body. Currently, no further treatment is planned. Justice Ginsburg is resting comfortably and is expected to remain in the hospital for a few days. Updates will be provided as they become available.sjrejects.freeforums.net/thread/100/general-politics-thread?page=183I think it crosses some kind of line to wish death upon people. YMMV Wishing death is one thing, then there's this: |
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on Dec 22, 2018 1:57:03 GMT
I think it crosses some kind of line to wish death upon people. YMMV Wishing death is one thing, then there's this: I don't get it |
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Post by Da Man on Dec 22, 2018 2:55:01 GMT
Wishing death is one thing, then there's this: I don't get it Ginsburg is kind of a Jewish name. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 22, 2018 3:01:16 GMT
Wait until the Huffington Post finds out what Planned Parenthood does to unborne babies.
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