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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 21, 2018 12:53:54 GMT
Absurd.
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Post by doctorquant on Nov 21, 2018 13:00:02 GMT
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 21, 2018 13:35:44 GMT
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Post by doctorquant on Nov 21, 2018 14:02:21 GMT
The Jeopardy topic here was "Presidents Behaving Badly" |
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 21, 2018 14:07:44 GMT
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Post by rustinjice on Nov 21, 2018 14:26:02 GMT
Oh hey look - it’s Fox News twisting the truth again. 1. Nakoula had previously been convicted of charges relating to bank and credit fraud, and federal prosecutors found his use of the Internet to post the video violated his terms of probation. Why in your opinion did this guy deserve a pass in his probation violation? 2. Even if the Benghazi attack wasn’t about the video, your remember - right - that there were protests across the Middle East at our diplomatic facilities (right around the same time as the Benghazi attack) that were because the video? |
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Post by rustinjice on Nov 21, 2018 14:27:21 GMT
Which President made Lois Lerner target his political enemies? |
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 21, 2018 14:30:01 GMT
Oh hey look - it’s Fox News twisting the truth again. 1. Nakoula had previously been convicted of charges relating to bank and credit fraud, and federal prosecutors found his use of the Internet to post the video violated his terms of probation. Why in your opinion did this guy deserve a pass in his probation violation? 2. Even if the Benghazi attack wasn’t about the video, your remember - right - that there were protests across the Middle East at our diplomatic facilities (right around the same time as the Benghazi attack) that were because the video? The finding that he had violated probation was a direct result of the Obama administration trying to blame him for the Benghazi attacks, for political reasons. I notice you don't dispute that, because it's indisputable. |
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Post by rustinjice on Nov 21, 2018 14:44:27 GMT
Oh hey look - it’s Fox News twisting the truth again. 1. Nakoula had previously been convicted of charges relating to bank and credit fraud, and federal prosecutors found his use of the Internet to post the video violated his terms of probation. Why in your opinion did this guy deserve a pass in his probation violation? 2. Even if the Benghazi attack wasn’t about the video, your remember - right - that there were protests across the Middle East at our diplomatic facilities (right around the same time as the Benghazi attack) that were because the video? The finding that he had violated probation was a direct result of the Obama administration trying to blame him for the Benghazi attacks, for political reasons. I notice you don't dispute that, because it's indisputable. Do you dispute that he had violated his probation? |
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 21, 2018 14:55:52 GMT
Do you dispute that he had violated his probation? It's almost like two things can be true at the same time. Nakoula Basseley Nakoula deserves a place in American history. He is the first person in this country jailed for violating Islamic anti-blasphemy laws.
You won’t find that anywhere in the charges against him, of course. As a practical matter, though, everyone knows that Nakoula wouldn’t be in jail today if he hadn’t produced a video crudely lampooning the prophet Muhammad.
In the weeks after the attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others, the Obama administration claimed the terrorist assault had been the outgrowth of a demonstration against the Nakoula video. The administration ran public service announcements in Pakistan featuring President Barack Obama saying the U.S. had nothing to do with it. In a speech at the United Nations around this time, the president declared — no doubt with Nakoula in mind — “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
After Benghazi, the administration was evidently filled with a fierce resolve — to bring Nakoula Basseley Nakoula to justice. Charles Woods, the father of a Navy SEAL killed in Benghazi, said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told him when his son’s body returned to Andrews Air Force Base: “We will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.”
Lo and behold, Nakoula was brought in for questioning by five Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies at midnight, eventually arrested and held without bond, and finally thrown into jail for a year. He sits in La Tuna Federal Correctional Institution in Texas right now, even as the deceptive spin that blamed his video for the Benghazi attack looks more egregious by the day. www.politico.com/story/2013/05/the-benghazi-patsy-091101 |
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Post by rustinjice on Nov 21, 2018 15:44:04 GMT
Mark Basseley Youssef admitted to four violations, including lying to his probation officer and using bogus names. In exchange, prosecutors dropped four other counts, including allegations that Youssef lied in saying that his role in the film's production was limited to writing the script. Youssef was under a type of federal probation -- known as supervised release -- after being convicted in 2010 of bank and credit-card fraud, in which he was accused of causing $800,000 in losses.
Through an attorney, Youssef, who previously changed his name from Nakoula Basseley Nakoula and who also has gone by the name Sam Basile, asked that he be allowed to serve the sentence in home confinement.
TIMELINE: 'Innocence of Muslims' unrest
Assistant U.S. Atty. Robert Dugdale objected, saying the man's record of fraud and deception made the violations particularly serious.
"This is not a defendant that you want out there using multiple names," he said, noting Youssef had a passport under one name and a driver's license under another, and worked on the film under a third identity.
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Post by rustinjice on Nov 21, 2018 15:45:26 GMT
Do you dispute that he had violated his probation? It's almost like two things can be true at the same time. Nakoula Basseley Nakoula deserves a place in American history. He is the first person in this country jailed for violating Islamic anti-blasphemy laws.
You won’t find that anywhere in the charges against him, of course. As a practical matter, though, everyone knows that Nakoula wouldn’t be in jail today if he hadn’t produced a video crudely lampooning the prophet Muhammad.
In the weeks after the attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others, the Obama administration claimed the terrorist assault had been the outgrowth of a demonstration against the Nakoula video. The administration ran public service announcements in Pakistan featuring President Barack Obama saying the U.S. had nothing to do with it. In a speech at the United Nations around this time, the president declared — no doubt with Nakoula in mind — “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
After Benghazi, the administration was evidently filled with a fierce resolve — to bring Nakoula Basseley Nakoula to justice. Charles Woods, the father of a Navy SEAL killed in Benghazi, said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told him when his son’s body returned to Andrews Air Force Base: “We will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.”
Lo and behold, Nakoula was brought in for questioning by five Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies at midnight, eventually arrested and held without bond, and finally thrown into jail for a year. He sits in La Tuna Federal Correctional Institution in Texas right now, even as the deceptive spin that blamed his video for the Benghazi attack looks more egregious by the day. www.politico.com/story/2013/05/the-benghazi-patsy-091101True or false: His film sparked bloody protests at US diplomatic facilities around the world. |
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Post by xanadu on Nov 21, 2018 15:51:36 GMT
Death to the 9th Circuit! |
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 21, 2018 15:52:58 GMT
Mark Basseley Youssef admitted to four violations, including lying to his probation officer and using bogus names. In exchange, prosecutors dropped four other counts, including allegations that Youssef lied in saying that his role in the film's production was limited to writing the script. Youssef was under a type of federal probation -- known as supervised release -- after being convicted in 2010 of bank and credit-card fraud, in which he was accused of causing $800,000 in losses. Through an attorney, Youssef, who previously changed his name from Nakoula Basseley Nakoula and who also has gone by the name Sam Basile, asked that he be allowed to serve the sentence in home confinement. TIMELINE: 'Innocence of Muslims' unrest Assistant U.S. Atty. Robert Dugdale objected, saying the man's record of fraud and deception made the violations particularly serious. "This is not a defendant that you want out there using multiple names," he said, noting Youssef had a passport under one name and a driver's license under another, and worked on the film under a third identity. You refuse to respond to what I said. My claim is not that he may not have violated his probation. What I've said is that his jailing was a direct result of the politically motivated attack on him, to blame him for the Benghazi attack. Unless you want to deny that, and argue against it, I'm not sure why you are still responding. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 21, 2018 15:56:59 GMT
True or false: His film sparked bloody protests at US diplomatic facilities around the world. A. It may have contributed to protests in Cairo. I don't think that's conclusive. 2. Who cares? We don't jail people for producing a video, even if it mocks Islam, and upsets Muslim fundamentalists. |
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