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Post by doctorquant on Jan 4, 2024 14:14:17 GMT
The plagiarism aside, Gay's bio reminds me a bit of a few folks I worked with during my academic career in that to colleagues and mentors she seemed destined for administration almost before she finished her PhD.
One guy I worked with, I swear people had "dean" penciled in by his name before he'd even defended his dissertation proposal. From the day he first stepped on the tenure track, it took him four years (and a job change) to finally finish his doctorate, and I don't think he'd even removed his gown from his graduation ceremony before they slapped an associate deanship on him. He's since been the dean at two schools, and not backwater places.
To be clear, I NEVER had any inclinations toward administration. Looked too much like real work -- the meetings, oh my God the meetings -- to me.
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Post by dirtybird on Jan 4, 2024 15:20:43 GMT
The one higher-ed message board with which I'm familiar is, as one would imagine, chock full of lefty/liberal types, but the vibe there is definitely that Gay got what was coming to her plagiarism-wise. CollegeProfs.com … set to spawn CPRejects at any moment.
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Post by oop on Jan 4, 2024 16:49:44 GMT
How about this... How about you read Ackman's post, so we can discuss it with common knowledge. How about you defend DEI, rather than simply attack those who criticize it. Because, like late term abortion, and other liberal policies, it's mostly indefensible, and so the only recourse you have is to go on the offensive. I think I speak for everyone when I say how about you ignore this know-nothing moron. Don't encourage him. There are plenty of other places on the Internet for him to shit all over. LOL. Protect that echo chamber!
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Post by oop on Jan 4, 2024 16:52:37 GMT
That is a terrible and misleading analogy, so there is no surprise you used it. A poor analogy was the point. It illustrates that no program should be judged on its goals. No matter how lofty. Spoken like someone who is focused on opposing those particular goals.
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Post by oop on Jan 5, 2024 22:17:55 GMT
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 6, 2024 0:31:08 GMT
Well, that does it. Neri Oxman should never be President of Harvard. (Or MIT, where she did her Ph.D.) (That's how this works, right?) Looks like she apologized right away, rather than denying the claim, and threatening legal action against the publication, as Harvard did, so she gets points for that. She does have quite a career of achievement too, from Lieutenant in the Israeli Air Force, to tenured professor at MIT, to artist, who has had an exhibition at MOMA. Even has a higher H-Index than Gay. www.semanticscholar.org/author/N.-Oxman/2987966 But, I welcome this latest salvo in the Plagiarism Wars. Given the makeup of the faculty of elite universities, liberals will suffer far more casualties in such a war than conservatives.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 6, 2024 0:42:48 GMT
Used to be that you never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel.
The media still thinks this is the rule, but I would avoid picking a fight with a billionaire on a mission.
Will be fun to watch.
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Post by oop on Jan 6, 2024 2:23:43 GMT
Well, that does it. Neri Oxman should never be President of Harvard. (Or MIT, where she did her Ph.D.) (That's how this works, right?) Looks like she apologized right away, rather than denying the claim, and threatening legal action against the publication, as Harvard did, so she gets points for that. She does have quite a career of achievement too, from Lieutenant in the Israeli Air Force, to tenured professor at MIT, to artist, who has had an exhibition at MOMA. Even has a higher H-Index than Gay. www.semanticscholar.org/author/N.-Oxman/2987966 But, I welcome this latest salvo in the Plagiarism Wars. Given the makeup of the faculty of elite universities, liberals will suffer far more casualties in such a war than conservatives. I wasn't comparing her to Gay. I just though it was funny. Yes, I'm sure conservatives are very excited to look for more liberal scalps. I do get a laugh out of listening to them go on about a matter of integrity given how little we see from their politicians.
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Post by TheSportsPredictor on Jan 6, 2024 2:24:14 GMT
Used to be that you never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel. The media still thinks this is the rule, but I would avoid picking a fight with a billionaire on a mission. Will be fun to watch.
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Post by oop on Jan 6, 2024 2:26:35 GMT
Used to be that you never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel. The media still thinks this is the rule, but I would avoid picking a fight with a billionaire on a mission. Will be fun to watch. If Gay or someone defending her tried to mitigate what she did, that's a problem. Oxman does it and you're fine with it. You do realize that's what she did in her Tweet when she pointed out it was four paragraphs in a 330-page dissertation, right?
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Post by doctorquant on Jan 6, 2024 13:42:01 GMT
Although it wasn't really scholarly work, theses were required in my wife's masters program in architecture. If she plagiarized anything, it was completely random ... because her writing was so awkward that I re-wrote pretty much every sentence in the damn thing.
The first draft she submitted to her advisor, I'd only gotten through about three-fourths of it. When she got the marked-up draft back, it was page after page with only his "OK" and "yes" red marks every now and then ... until you got to the place where I had stopped. Damn thing looked like someone had bled on it. After a couple of pages of that, he wrote "What happened here?"
When she told him, "My boyfriend was a journalist and he's been editing it for me," he said, "Let's keep that up, then!"
In the coming years, when we would go to Homecoming and other like receptions, he'd always want to talk to me rather than her ... "Still doing your writing?" God it would piss her off.
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Post by dirtybird on Jan 6, 2024 14:33:07 GMT
But, I welcome this latest salvo in the Plagiarism Wars. Given the makeup of the faculty of elite universities, liberals will suffer far more casualties in such a war than conservatives. /Reads this //Reads this again It's an interesting space where the Harvard President should've been fired, but it’s also going to get encased in looniness like this. Just a very dumb place to occupy.
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Post by doctorquant on Jan 6, 2024 14:48:53 GMT
It's an interesting space where the Harvard President should've been fired, but people also write sentences like this. Just a very dumb space to occupy. What in the absolute fuck does this mean?
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Post by dirtybird on Jan 6, 2024 15:41:25 GMT
It's an interesting space where the Harvard President should've been fired, but people also write sentences like this. Just a very dumb space to occupy. What in the absolute fuck does this mean? It means I wrote something inarticulately and hit post quickly because I needed to go grab groceries. I guess what I’m trying to say is, this is being thrown into the dumbest parts of the culture war blender, and it’s getting dumber by the minute. And that firing the president of Harvard seems like a sensible choice, but all the noise around it casts a pall over the whole thing.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 6, 2024 16:29:12 GMT
What in the absolute fuck does this mean? It means I wrote something inarticulately and hit post quickly because I needed to go grab groceries. I guess what I’m trying to say is, this is being thrown into the dumbest parts of the culture war blender, and it’s getting dumber by the minute. And that firing the president of Harvard seems like a sensible choice, but all the noise around it casts a pall over the whole thing. It seems odd to me to be upset about the "noise" and those causing it. She probably never should have been hired for the job in the first place. She was fast tracked into bigger and bigger administrative roles, with no record of success, other than in going after other faculty members who disrupted DEI Orthodoxy. She wasn't vetted. The search was done extremely quickly, and her hiring was done at the behest of billionaire nepo baby, and liberal political activist, Penny Pritzker. Her handling of the Pro-Hamas protests and harassment of Jewish students on campus was a disgrace, and should have put her job in jeopardy. But at the very least, she should have been fired before her plane touched back down at Logan after her disastrous Congressional testimony. At that point, her dismissal was inevitable, and was only a matter of time. By letting it drag out, the Harvard Corporation created the circus that sprang up around her continued employment. (Harvard's law firm, WilmerHale, who prepped her for the testimony should have also been let go.) But firing DEI candidates is difficult. It's political. And, though we saw the President of Penn get canned for her testimony, and the President of Stanford get fired for plagiarism, Harvard tried to push through with both of these strikes against Gay. They thoroughly embarrassed themselves, and have no one to blame but themselves.
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