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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 3, 2024 16:49:38 GMT
When you define everything in terms of race, and in terms of winners and losers, then there is no room left for merit. Keep up the good fight against diversity and inclusion! lol How about this... How about you read Ackman's post, so we can discuss it with common knowledge. How about you defend DEI, rather than simply attack those who criticize it. Because, like late term abortion, and other liberal policies, it's mostly indefensible, and so the only recourse you have is to go on the offensive.
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Post by oop on Jan 3, 2024 17:47:29 GMT
Keep up the good fight against diversity and inclusion! lol How about this... How about you read Ackman's post, so we can discuss it with common knowledge. How about you defend DEI, rather than simply attack those who criticize it. Because, like late term abortion, and other liberal policies, it's mostly indefensible, and so the only recourse you have is to go on the offensive. How about you abstain from making false claims about what is and is not liberal policy. Try it out as a change of pace. I say that because I don't think this is the thread for a tangent about the lies told by conservatives like you regarding what you call late-term abortions. I have plenty of recourse, but no, I'm not going to stop mocking you for attacking diversity, equity, and inclusion. Even if some of the implementation can be improved, the goals aren't just worthwhile, they are necessary.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 3, 2024 17:53:02 GMT
How about this... How about you read Ackman's post, so we can discuss it with common knowledge. How about you defend DEI, rather than simply attack those who criticize it. Because, like late term abortion, and other liberal policies, it's mostly indefensible, and so the only recourse you have is to go on the offensive. How about you abstain from making false claims about what is and is not liberal policy. Try it out as a change of pace. I say that because I don't think this is the thread for a tangent about the lies told by conservatives like you regarding what you call late-term abortions. I have plenty of recourse, but no, I'm not going to stop mocking you for attacking diversity, equity, and inclusion. Even if some of the implementation can be improved, the goals aren't just worthwhile, they are necessary. My goal is to teach my kid not to smoke cigarets. To do this, I'm going to make her smoke cigarets, hoping she does not like them, and will forever swear them off. oop: Even if some of the implementation can be improved, the goals aren't just worthwhile, they are necessary.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 3, 2024 18:12:17 GMT
The bad people are making the AP change their story, but they are resisting an actual correction.
Half measures are never advisable.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 3, 2024 18:35:43 GMT
I don't see how this is any kind of defense of Claudine Gay.
MARA GAY: Well, I think there's a lot going on here, and so we just want to be careful that we contextualize everything properly. The thing that really disturbs me was the unrelenting campaign from the right and from some conservative activists to slander, discredit, and ultimately, I guess, somebody used the phrase, we've claimed a scalp, I think, on social media, to essentially, unseat Gay and other presidents, as well, when they don't like not just the handling of the horrific attacks on Israel on October 7th, the way that that was handled on campus, but really anything else, that they don't like about not just these presidents, but actually what they would call woke-ism on campus.
So this is really an attack on academic freedom. It's an attack on people who are pluralists, and believe that you should bring people from all over the world together of diverse backgrounds. And that you actually have more scholarly rigor, and more value can be brought by having people from different backgrounds.
This is an attack on diversity. This is an attack on multiculturalism. And on many of the values that a lot of us hold dear and in fact, anybody, really, who is around my age in their 30s, who went to any public, major public university or private university in this country, these are values that are very important.
And I think that's why these presidents are under attack. That's why Claudine Gay was under attack. The fact that she's a black woman and the first person who is a black American to lead Harvard only added to their thirst to dethrone her.
And those texts -- I don't have to say that they're racist, because you can hear and see the racism in the attacks when people like Vivek Ramaswamy say, okay, this is a problem about diversity and hiring. I mean, this is racism as well.
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Post by oop on Jan 3, 2024 18:47:46 GMT
How about you abstain from making false claims about what is and is not liberal policy. Try it out as a change of pace. I say that because I don't think this is the thread for a tangent about the lies told by conservatives like you regarding what you call late-term abortions. I have plenty of recourse, but no, I'm not going to stop mocking you for attacking diversity, equity, and inclusion. Even if some of the implementation can be improved, the goals aren't just worthwhile, they are necessary. My goal is to teach my kid not to smoke cigarets. To do this, I'm going to make her smoke cigarets, hoping she does not like them, and will forever swear them off. oop: Even if some of the implementation can be improved, the goals aren't just worthwhile, they are necessary. That is a terrible and misleading analogy, so there is no surprise you used it.
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Post by oop on Jan 3, 2024 18:49:39 GMT
I don't see how this is any kind of defense of Claudine Gay. MARA GAY: Well, I think there's a lot going on here, and so we just want to be careful that we contextualize everything properly. The thing that really disturbs me was the unrelenting campaign from the right and from some conservative activists to slander, discredit, and ultimately, I guess, somebody used the phrase, we've claimed a scalp, I think, on social media, to essentially, unseat Gay and other presidents, as well, when they don't like not just the handling of the horrific attacks on Israel on October 7th, the way that that was handled on campus, but really anything else, that they don't like about not just these presidents, but actually what they would call woke-ism on campus.
So this is really an attack on academic freedom. It's an attack on people who are pluralists, and believe that you should bring people from all over the world together of diverse backgrounds. And that you actually have more scholarly rigor, and more value can be brought by having people from different backgrounds.
This is an attack on diversity. This is an attack on multiculturalism. And on many of the values that a lot of us hold dear and in fact, anybody, really, who is around my age in their 30s, who went to any public, major public university or private university in this country, these are values that are very important.
And I think that's why these presidents are under attack. That's why Claudine Gay was under attack. The fact that she's a black woman and the first person who is a black American to lead Harvard only added to their thirst to dethrone her.
And those texts -- I don't have to say that they're racist, because you can hear and see the racism in the attacks when people like Vivek Ramaswamy say, okay, this is a problem about diversity and hiring. I mean, this is racism as well.
It doesn't have to be a defense of Claudine Gay. It can be true that she deserved to be fired or forced to resign and that folks like you are just looking for an excuse to attack diversity.
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Post by pallister on Jan 3, 2024 22:19:34 GMT
Keep up the good fight against diversity and inclusion! lol How about this... How about you read Ackman's post, so we can discuss it with common knowledge. How about you defend DEI, rather than simply attack those who criticize it. Because, like late term abortion, and other liberal policies, it's mostly indefensible, and so the only recourse you have is to go on the offensive. I think I speak for everyone when I say how about you ignore this know-nothing moron. Don't encourage him. There are plenty of other places on the Internet for him to shit all over.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 3, 2024 22:44:58 GMT
My goal is to teach my kid not to smoke cigarets. To do this, I'm going to make her smoke cigarets, hoping she does not like them, and will forever swear them off. oop: Even if some of the implementation can be improved, the goals aren't just worthwhile, they are necessary. That is a terrible and misleading analogy, so there is no surprise you used it. A poor analogy was the point. It illustrates that no program should be judged on its goals. No matter how lofty.
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Post by doctorquant on Jan 3, 2024 23:04:55 GMT
I don't know how one could "do" DEI without it being awful, meaning at a minimum you have to engage in some terrible practices just to have even a modicum of success (as it defines it).
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Jan 3, 2024 23:53:03 GMT
I’ve told this story before, but a paper I worked at had sort of a precursor to “DEI,” in which the senior editors demanded that there be a woman on the front page every single day, current events notwithstanding.
News as it was, we ended up teasing the “fashion” page from the skybox 9 days out of 10, no matter how inconsequential and no matter what else happened that got bumped to the inside. Everything Hillary Clinton said made the cover, even though it was a right-wing rag.
We looked like fools.
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Post by TheSportsPredictor on Jan 4, 2024 0:25:34 GMT
That is a terrible and misleading analogy, so there is no surprise you used it. A poor analogy was the point. It illustrates that no program should be judged on its goals. No matter how lofty. Poor analogy? You’re not even the first one with the idea!
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Post by Vombatus on Jan 4, 2024 0:39:36 GMT
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 4, 2024 13:44:17 GMT
Claudine Gay is counting on the fact that her supporters haven’t followed the story, and aren’t interested in the facts.
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Post by doctorquant on Jan 4, 2024 13:53:09 GMT
The one higher-ed message board with which I'm familiar is, as one would imagine, chock full of lefty/liberal types, but the vibe there is definitely that Gay got what was coming to her plagiarism-wise.
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