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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 4, 2023 17:28:38 GMT
/checks who did the study Heh, some nice culture war burffle and not much else. And as Quant said, self-reporting obviously plays a role here. If this wasn’t just silly content, it would be a little amusing. Conservatives preach that the world is downright awful in so, so many ways. It’s dwelled on and focused on. For God’s sake, they strongly believe there’s a holocaust of children every year, and thousands more are molested because no one will stop it.
Perhaps, if this was to be believed, the answer might just be that despite all of this awfulness, conservative parents are just better at teaching their kids to not really care on an emotional level. Only caring for show. I’m some ways, fake tears about dead kids or antisemitism are probably more healthy than real ones. It's interesting to me that you would take an extremely fringe belief, and compare it to something like the coming climate catastrophe, that's been preached by the likes of Al Gore and other leaders on the left for a couple of decades now. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 4, 2023 17:33:11 GMT
A lot of it comes down to some things that are pretty basic.
Parents who eat right and exercise are likely to raise kids that also eat right and exercise.
Parents who are overweight will likely raise kids who are overweight.
Parents who lack patience, and who yell and scream, will raise kids that behave this way.
And, if you are anxious and depressed, it's likely that your kids will be too.
As parents, we model behavior. Good and bad.
And if you are constantly fretting about Donald Trump, climate catastrophe, abortion access and gun control, then I'm not sure how your kids would not be IMPACTED by that.
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 4, 2023 17:37:00 GMT
This is common sense stuff. The most important factor in the mental health of adolescent children is the quality of the relationship with their caregivers. This, in turn, is strongly related to parenting practices—with the best results coming from warm, responsive, and rule-bound, disciplined parenting. The data also reveal the characteristics of parents who engage in best-practices and enjoy the highest quality relationships. ifstudies.org/blog/parenting-is-the-key-to-adolescent-mental-health |
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 4, 2023 17:44:12 GMT
It's really clear to me that the two kids (both boys) in my daughter's class who have the greatest social/emotional issues, also have parents who do not engage in any discipline. Their kids can be acting like assholes on the playground, and the moms do nothing about it. (All three moms are decidedly liberal.) On a few occasions I've had to tell these kids to knock off the behavior. Conservative and very conservative parents are the most likely to adopt the parenting practices associated with adolescent mental health. They are the most likely to effectively discipline their children, while also displaying affection and responding to their needs. Liberal parents score the lowest, even worse than very liberal parents, largely because they are the least likely to successfully discipline their children.ifstudies.org/blog/parenting-is-the-key-to-adolescent-mental-health |
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Post by dirtybird on Dec 4, 2023 17:52:00 GMT
/checks who did the study Heh, some nice culture war burffle and not much else. And as Quant said, self-reporting obviously plays a role here. If this wasn’t just silly content, it would be a little amusing. Conservatives preach that the world is downright awful in so, so many ways. It’s dwelled on and focused on. For God’s sake, they strongly believe there’s a holocaust of children every year, and thousands more are molested because no one will stop it.
Perhaps, if this was to be believed, the answer might just be that despite all of this awfulness, conservative parents are just better at teaching their kids to not really care on an emotional level. Only caring for show. I’m some ways, fake tears about dead kids or antisemitism are probably more healthy than real ones. It's interesting to me that you would take an extremely fringe belief, and compare it to something like the coming climate catastrophe, that's been preached by the likes of Al Gore and other leaders on the left for a couple of decades now. Yeah, that first part was about abortion. But if abortion being murder is extremely fringe, I suppose that’s interesting. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 4, 2023 17:57:56 GMT
It's interesting to me that you would take an extremely fringe belief, and compare it to something like the coming climate catastrophe, that's been preached by the likes of Al Gore and other leaders on the left for a couple of decades now. Yeah, that first part was about abortion. But if abortion being murder is extremely fringe, I suppose that’s interesting. Hmm. OK. Cool. In that case, you are right. There is an ongoing slaughter of unborn children. But, I'm not sure any children, raised by conservative parents, are worried that they are going to become victims of this slaughter. Meanwhile, liberal kids are terrified that the earth is on fire. |
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Post by dirtybird on Dec 4, 2023 18:13:35 GMT
/checks who did the study Apparently you didn't ... I didn't see Institute for Family Studies? It seems pretty high up there. Oh, you thought I meant the Examiner. I can see where you made that mistake. If we'd like to discuss that I shouldn't be skeptical of that group, would love to. And if we want to settle on the idea that they did the report, but the "study" was out of their hands, that was just some poor phrasing by me. (And you're right that all those other outlets would run with culture war clickbait on the other side. And I'd be skeptical of that too, and wouldn't rush to post it) |
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 4, 2023 18:17:55 GMT
Look, maybe the Institute for Family Studies and the Washington Examiner are just looking to own the Libs.
They are being really mean.
But, is there any validity to the claim?
Certainly how kids are raised matters, right?
And a lot of this is commons sense. Would any of you be surprised if the kids of my favorite internet liberals were anxious, or depressed?
Are Liz's kids anxious and depressed?
Can you imagine if Taylor Lorenz had kids?
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Post by dirtybird on Dec 4, 2023 18:21:14 GMT
Yeah, that first part was about abortion. But if abortion being murder is extremely fringe, I suppose that’s interesting. Hmm. OK. Cool. In that case, you are right. There is an ongoing slaughter of unborn children. But, I'm not sure any children, raised by conservative parents, are worried that they are going to become victims of this slaughter. Meanwhile, liberal kids are terrified that the earth is on fire. Ohhh, so the kids will not be made unsettled by a thousand innocent kids dying per day because it won't effect them? But some vague threat of environmental disaster will just spin them out. One would imagine depicting the world as being full of unchecked criminals and with danger lurking everywhere would terrify children. Or the idea that schools are perpetually hurting kids/putting them in danger. But for conservatives, it doesn't? The answer here lies, oddly enough, in yourself. You play a kind of character on this here site. You project a worldview that most everything is very, very bad. Awful things are happening, the people we trust to lead us are always failing. Danger lurks. But it seems in the real world, you do not emanate this. You parent your kid in a way that is very different from your political views. And I'm guessing most folks do. Now there might be an interesting discussion to have about liberal parents categorizing normal angst as more of an issue than it is, or conservative parents not thinking much of mental health issues at all. But that has fuck all to do with Al Gore. Both sides need folks scared and angry so they vote. If anything, conservatives are better at it than libs. |
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Post by doctorquant on Dec 4, 2023 18:24:57 GMT
Apparently you didn't ... I didn't see Institute for Family Studies? It seems pretty high up there. |
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Post by dirtybird on Dec 4, 2023 18:39:20 GMT
I didn't see Institute for Family Studies? It seems pretty high up there. Thanks for that. Seems like quite the fella. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 4, 2023 18:41:07 GMT
This whole thing has me curious.
Have any previous studies shown something similar?
Are conservative more happy than liberals in general? Do they have better mental health?
What about church/religious services attendance?
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Post by doctorquant on Dec 4, 2023 18:50:46 GMT
A week or so ago I was playing golf with something of a business community muckety-muck and he (as folks sometimes try to do when they learn I was a professor) tried to draw me into this inte-muh-lectual discussion regarding some such thing in which: 1) I had little interest; and 2) the other two guys had even less. Finally I said, sort of jokingly, "Look, if I'm not willing to think for money, I'll be damned if I'm gonna do it for free." All of which is to say that my days of doing literature searches/reviews are over, but ... if you'll do a Google Scholar search on "parenting" and "ideology", I think you'll see that lots of folks have looked into it over the years with widely varying results. |
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Post by pallister on Dec 4, 2023 18:56:49 GMT
Keeping your constituents in perpetual fear has been a bedrock of the Left for decades. A message of hope and despair has been the hallmark of the post-MLK civil rights movement, and it has spread its tentacles to the countless identity politics agendas we see today. It's an effective way to keep voters focused on the latest bogeyman and not the complete lack of solutions. Meanwhile, the biggest bogeymen are the politicians who know that fear trumps action. It's the ultimate power move. That factions on the right have adopted the tactic more publicly in recent years just accelerates our political race to the bottom.
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 4, 2023 19:34:31 GMT
I think one other thing we should be cognizant of is that mental health and mental illness are not necessarily the same thing.
Just with physical health, you can suffer from poor mental health, even if you do not suffer from innate mental illness. You just might not be doing the proactive things that help to provide good mental health.
Both may need treatment, and poor mental health can lead to mental illness, just as poor physical health can result in physical illness.
But giving kids the tools to have good mental health is as important as anything we will do as parents.
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