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Post by Rejected by the Rejects on May 26, 2020 14:30:18 GMT
I wish you were nicer to people.
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Post by Wolfenstein on May 26, 2020 14:33:44 GMT
As far as the government/school planning, I have specific knowledge only about places near here. Basically the local health departments issued guidance up until the state declared schools would be closed. Public libraries and community buildings also were on the closure list.
The issue of "distance learning" had been discussed at least two years earlier, so some framework for that existed. It easily could have been more developed than it was, from what I am told.
However, the public/private comparison is forced here. No one knows what the states will mandate. But say a school has an enrollment of 750. It's safe to assume there will be no assemblies of that size in the near future. So already any "first day" announcements and similar activities will change. After that, it's a guessing game* as to which classrooms would be full and which would have space. There is no "one size fits all" plan here.
I don't think it would be a terrible idea for schools to talk with some businesses. But ultimately, state governors and local health departments are going to make the decisions on group sizes and other details. From there, plans will have to adjust, and I doubt that what Costco is doing will amount to a hill of beans. If 75 percent of Costco's customers were coming on buses, and required to be served one to two meals a day, and required in some cases to have specific needs met, then we might have a valid comparison.
* I should probably clarify this term. It is a guessing game for me because I don't know which schools have unfilled capacity. It shouldn't be a guessing game for schools, which probably should be sketching out some ideas.
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Post by Wolfenstein on May 26, 2020 14:34:39 GMT
Hey, it ain’t youth baseball, running, or bourbon. Having hobbies/interests/passions is bad. Unless they are things you disagree with, clod.
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Post by Whitman on May 26, 2020 14:37:32 GMT
Early on in the pandemic, a Slate or Vox podcast I listen to - they all blend together - was discussing the implications of a "massive wealth transfer" from the old and infirm to the young, and how catastrophic that could be for the future if it were to go on too long.
However it happens, these kids need to be back in school. Lock down the nursing homes. Require masks in stores. Fight this thing surgically. Be creative But the country can't be on permanent lockdown. We have to have a real reckoning with the fact that sometimes, living our lives comes at a price. Some people are going to die. And I'm not talking about "Applebee's" and "haircuts."
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Post by Wolfenstein on May 26, 2020 14:39:47 GMT
Well, I hope no one is arguing that all schools should be closed. Wait, we do have one person who was doing that. My bad.
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on May 26, 2020 14:41:01 GMT
As far as the government/school planning, I have specific knowledge only about places near here. Basically the local health departments issued guidance up until the state declared schools would be closed. Public libraries and community buildings also were on the closure list. The issue of "distance learning" had been discussed at least two years earlier, so some framework for that existed. It easily could have been more developed than it was, from what I am told. However, the public/private comparison is forced here. No one knows what the states will mandate. But say a school has an enrollment of 750. It's safe to assume there will be no assemblies of that size in the near future. So already any "first day" announcements and similar activities will change. After that, it's a guessing game as to which classrooms would be full and which would have space. There is no "one size fits all" plan here. I don't think it would be a terrible idea for schools to talk with some businesses. But ultimately, state governors and local health departments are going to make the decisions on group sizes and other details. From there, plans will have to adjust, and I doubt that what Costco is doing will amount to a hill of beans. If 75 percent of Costco's customers were coming on buses, and required to be served one to two meals a day, and required in some cases to have specific needs met, then we might have a valid comparison. What about being informed by hospitals experience? They're serving meals daily to a whole range of people. There has to be some starting point to learn from experience and hospitals have already learned a lot. There are also a lot of teaching hospitals and nursing programs. What are they doing?
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Post by Wolfenstein on May 26, 2020 14:52:50 GMT
Dunno. Maybe Dr. McDreamy and Ellen Pompeo can shed some light on the issue.
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Post by Wolfenstein on May 26, 2020 15:02:06 GMT
Also, I assume patients get meals in their rooms. I have to assume the hospital cafeterias are closed. It's too bad Flounder from St. Elsewhere isn't still around to give some advice on the matter.
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Post by YankeeFan on May 26, 2020 15:25:14 GMT
Well, I hope no one is arguing that all schools should be closed. Wait, we do have one person who was doing that. My bad. Yes. One person advocated for that thing that... every single school in America eventually did, within weeks of him calling for it. What an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 18:31:31 GMT
Yes, places where people stay moving and are rarely next to each other for long periods of time (theoretically) should advise schools how to have people next to each other for 40-45 minutes at a time. A can't miss idea. While perhaps the comparison is a bit too facile, I do think there’s something to be said for the fact that many businesses were able to plan for and adjust for this better than government has been. They of course have different goals and face different constraints, so not in anyway directly comparable, but I think it’s still fair to ask whether the public sector could learn from private at all. There was article about how H.E.B. had been working on pandemic plan since 2005 and focused on this particular emergency since second week of January. Were many governments or school districts demonstrating that level of foresight? School admins are too busy running active shooter drills to defend against something that is incredibly unlikely to happen, but is good theater. That time could instead be spent planning for these kind of interruptions.
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on May 26, 2020 18:55:40 GMT
Yes I get it Dunkin Doughnuts is not a school but certainly a good example of a well run business that adapted to the circumstance. The started with the premise of staying open
Dunkin’ Family, Throughout this pandemic, we have been guided by one principle: to do what’s right. Nothing is more important to us than the safety of Dunkin’ crew members and guests. Our franchisees, who are small business owners closely connected to the communities they serve, have gone the extra mile to keep their restaurants safely open and their people employed whenever possible. Dunkin’ was one of the first chains to close in-restaurant dining, and we quickly implemented national safety standards including: • Requiring hygiene training on best-in-class restaurant sanitization and disinfection practices; • Enforcing social distancing requirements, behind and in front of the counter; • Requiring the use of face masks and single-use gloves by all restaurant employees; • Installing plexiglass sneeze guards at the front counter; • Providing franchisees with infrared thermometers to perform pre-shift employee health checks; and • Assessing additional innovative safety measures on an ongoing basis. During all of this, 90 percent of Dunkin’ restaurants in the U.S. have remained open, with even more options to allow guests to get in and get on their way safely. In addition to drive-thru service, we added curbside pick-up, expanded delivery to thousands of Dunkin’ locations, promoted mobile ordering through our app, and suggested payment by credit card versus cash. Now, as the situation evolves, many guests are beginning to ask when we will reopen our dining rooms. Working in tandem with our franchisees, and based on the advice of health and government officials, we will be cautious and thoughtful about reopening in-restaurant dining. Decisions will be made on a market-by-market basis and will include enhanced social distancing and safety standards. Thank you for your patience as we move forward. At Dunkin’, “We’ve Got your Back” is more than just a saying. Since the start of this crisis, we’ve been looking out for our guests, our franchisees, their employees, and the communities we serve. We have prioritized people over profits, and we have chosen to do what is right rather than what is easy. It is a privilege to serve you, our guests. We promise to do everything we can to keep you running on Dunkin’...proudly, humbly, and most importantly, safely.
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Post by Wolfenstein on May 26, 2020 19:13:35 GMT
Well, I hope no one is arguing that all schools should be closed. Wait, we do have one person who was doing that. My bad. Yes. One person advocated for that thing that... every single school in America eventually did, within weeks of him calling for it. What an idiot. Except you, I, the entire living world, as well as many corpses, know that's not what I'm referring to. But I do find this latest bit of goal-post moving entertaining, especially after you spent weeks scuttling from thread to thread to "wonder" why various conventions and other events had not been called off months in advance. Also, I think you are still failing to grasp that in a situation like this, the local health departments and the governors make the final call. Not the individual schools. You did nail the "idiot" part, though. You've diagnosed the problem! Now comes the hard part -- the repair.
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on May 26, 2020 20:15:50 GMT
Yes. One person advocated for that thing that... every single school in America eventually did, within weeks of him calling for it. What an idiot. Except you, I, the entire living world, as well as many corpses, know that's not what I'm referring to. But I do find this latest bit of goal-post moving entertaining, especially after you spent weeks scuttling from thread to thread to "wonder" why various conventions and other events had not been called off months in advance. Also, I think you are still failing to grasp that in a situation like this, the local health departments and the governors make the final call. Not the individual schools. You did nail the "idiot" part, though. You've diagnosed the problem! Now comes the hard part -- the repair. I wager to bet that many of governors in blue states will be making a political calculation tied to teachers unions
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Post by Wolfenstein on May 26, 2020 21:23:16 GMT
Except you, I, the entire living world, as well as many corpses, know that's not what I'm referring to. But I do find this latest bit of goal-post moving entertaining, especially after you spent weeks scuttling from thread to thread to "wonder" why various conventions and other events had not been called off months in advance. Also, I think you are still failing to grasp that in a situation like this, the local health departments and the governors make the final call. Not the individual schools. You did nail the "idiot" part, though. You've diagnosed the problem! Now comes the hard part -- the repair. I wager to bet that many of governors in blue states will be making a political calculation tied to teachers unions Just as many governors in red states will be making a political calculation tied to business and commerce organizations.
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Post by oop on May 26, 2020 21:31:13 GMT
In CT budgets are already set for 20/21. Unless there is Federal aid money schools will have to make do. Doubtful there are plans in place locally because school systems are at mercy of state education system to dictate. State level in pocket of teachers union so assume that decisions will be made not in best interests of the students. That is because you are one of those idiots who thinks teachers aren't actually trying to do what is right for students.
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