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Post by oop on May 26, 2020 2:55:58 GMT
How does splitting classes cut down on the number of teachers? The entire point is to allow for smaller classes. If anything, they need more staff or students will be on their own with no teacher support the days they are out of the building. Please think before you post next time. If teachers are going to be doing in class instruction four days per week, with smaller classes, him much “distance learning” is going to be happening for the kids who aren’t in school on any given day? Any? And, does Wednesday— under the “clean” the building on Wednesday plan — become a distance learning day for everyone? The entire thing is built in the idea of a mixture of in-class instruction and distance learning. If you aren't going to do that, you don't do the cleaning day on Wednesdays. And yes, Wednesday would just be a day with no classroom instruction. It would be all distance learning. Were you under the impression that students could just cut their class time in half with no distance learning and the outcomes will be acceptable? I know you don't have any real understanding of how education works, but you are actually proving to be even more clueless than I thought. Then again, maybe I was right previously when I pointed out that you don't care about outcomes. You just care about teachers losing their jobs.
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Post by oop on May 26, 2020 2:58:03 GMT
Is there even a set plan anywhere? I mean, as fun as it might be to debate this, I am not sure it has actually been proposed anywhere. I haven't seen any set plan for the fall for K-12. Perhaps there are some in place, but I haven't heard of any. These are just ideas I've heard tossed around.
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Post by oop on May 26, 2020 2:59:16 GMT
So far these plans seem more about the teachers than the kids How do you judge a given plan? (And, for the record, it doesn't strike me as anything more than "Sorta what I heard was ..." w.r.t. to these scenarios incorporating a mid-week cleaning.) If you're judging it based on what's best for the kids, a full-blown "regular" school plan has to be the choice. Any considerations beyond best-for-the-kids, though, and the perspective of teachers/educators diminishes in value pretty rapidly (simply because such considerations rest on things decidedly outside the realm of teachers'/educators' expertise). Is a full-blown regular school plan really best for the students? Are we just going with the idea that it's fine if they get sick?
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Post by oop on May 26, 2020 3:00:28 GMT
How does the distance learning take place? Who creates and/or curates the content? That would be the teachers, as it is under normal circumstances. There is guidance from the administration, which varies from school to school. Who did you think would be doing it?
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Post by oop on May 26, 2020 3:19:15 GMT
So you’re saying teachers, especially in states with strong unions, are going to go for pulling double duty? Teachers will have to do both if you alternate days kids go to class. You can’t have entire classes alternate days, since the whole point is social distancing. Now you are catching on. These plans involve more work for teachers, not less. That's why boom's suggestion that this could allow for firing teachers, the one seconded by YF, was so stupid. I wrote in one of my previous posts that one of the problems is the lack of support for students the days they are not in the building. Teachers would have to put in more time developing their lessons. Even material they might use from previous years would have to be adapted to account for the distance learning component. One of the concerns teachers' unions face is idiots like boom and YF who think that this whole mess is going to create an excuse for firing teachers.
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on May 26, 2020 3:21:11 GMT
So far these plans seem more about the teachers than the kids How do you judge a given plan? (And, for the record, it doesn't strike me as anything more than "Sorta what I heard was ..." w.r.t. to these scenarios incorporating a mid-week cleaning.) If you're judging it based on what's best for the kids, a full-blown "regular" school plan has to be the choice. Any considerations beyond best-for-the-kids, though, and the perspective of teachers/educators diminishes in value pretty rapidly (simply because such considerations rest on things decidedly outside the realm of teachers'/educators' expertise). I agree that "best" is full blown. And if that happens part of decision will be based on premise that its hard for youth to get virus. Can see this easily becoming a red state /blue state split
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Post by oop on May 26, 2020 3:26:08 GMT
How do you judge a given plan? (And, for the record, it doesn't strike me as anything more than "Sorta what I heard was ..." w.r.t. to these scenarios incorporating a mid-week cleaning.) If you're judging it based on what's best for the kids, a full-blown "regular" school plan has to be the choice. Any considerations beyond best-for-the-kids, though, and the perspective of teachers/educators diminishes in value pretty rapidly (simply because such considerations rest on things decidedly outside the realm of teachers'/educators' expertise). I agree that "best" is full blown. And if that happens part of decision will be based on premise that its hard for youth to get virus. Can see this easily becoming a red state /blue state split It's not as if children can't get the virus. They don't get as sick, but they can certainly spread it. That is the largest issue with reopening schools, having it spread very quickly through the community.
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Post by oop on May 26, 2020 3:28:24 GMT
Now you are catching on. These plans involve more work for teachers, not less. That's why boom's suggestion that this could allow for firing teachers, the one seconded by YF, was so stupid. I see the mistake you made. Despite that, how can schools implement a one-day at school/next day distance learning scenario? I’ll hang up and listen for your answer on the radio. I made no mistake. That you chose to speak from a place of ignorance is your mistake, not mine. I will be happy to fulfill your request for more information once you correct your false claim. Until you can do that, I see no reason to believe you are interested in an honest discussion.
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on May 26, 2020 3:32:06 GMT
Schools should follow the lead of hospitals. It seems like the have done a good job putting in protocols that allow them to function and not spread the disease within their communities. Hospitals are not shutting down 1 day a week for cleaning
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Post by oop on May 26, 2020 3:36:10 GMT
Schools should follow the lead of hospitals. It seems like the have done a good job putting in protocols that allow them to function and not spread the disease within their communities. Hospitals are not shutting down 1 day a week for cleaning So you're not even going to try to make sense, are you? You do realize hospitals and schools are just a tad different, right?
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on May 26, 2020 4:07:52 GMT
Maybe schools should consult with the leaders of Costco. They have been able to effectively function 7 days a week. Shelves fully stocked and people working.
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on May 26, 2020 4:18:50 GMT
Schools would have been also
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Post by Wolfenstein on May 26, 2020 5:06:12 GMT
Yes, places where people stay moving and are rarely next to each other for long periods of time (theoretically) should advise schools how to have people next to each other for 40-45 minutes at a time. A can't miss idea.
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Post by Wolfenstein on May 26, 2020 6:21:48 GMT
Have you been to a one of those lately? A few idiots always seem to set up camp in an aisle and block it. I am sure that is the same as dozens of classrooms with a number of people near each other for 40-45 minutes at a time.
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Post by lcjjdnh on May 26, 2020 6:53:40 GMT
Yes, places where people stay moving and are rarely next to each other for long periods of time (theoretically) should advise schools how to have people next to each other for 40-45 minutes at a time. A can't miss idea. While perhaps the comparison is a bit too facile, I do think there’s something to be said for the fact that many businesses were able to plan for and adjust for this better than government has been. They of course have different goals and face different constraints, so not in anyway directly comparable, but I think it’s still fair to ask whether the public sector could learn from private at all. There was article about how H.E.B. had been working on pandemic plan since 2005 and focused on this particular emergency since second week of January. Were many governments or school districts demonstrating that level of foresight?
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