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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 14, 2019 1:25:25 GMT
The rich's share of income is way higher, though. Ok. So?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 1:27:24 GMT
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Post by doctorquant on Jan 14, 2019 1:31:32 GMT
So her position is that the rich need to pay a higher share of taxes. It's an extremely popular position ... Come on ... of course it's popular! "Mr. LTL, on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being 'Strongly Disagree' and 7 being 'Strongly Agree', how would you react to this statement: 'Somebody other than you should pay more in taxes'?"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 1:32:43 GMT
What is the $21 trillion thing? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s $21 trillion mistake“$21 TRILLION of Pentagon financial transactions ‘could not be traced, documented, or explained.’ $21T in Pentagon accounting errors. Medicare for All costs ~$32T. That means 66% of Medicare for All could have been funded already by the Pentagon.”The figure she's citing is one economist's estimate of waste in the DoD. But as WaPo writes: Regardless, in the situation Skidmore is describing, the $21 trillion is not one big pot of dormant money collecting dust somewhere. It’s the sum of all transactions — both inflows and outflows — for which the Defense Department did not have adequate documentation. “The same dollar could be accounted for many times,” as Philip Klein wrote in the Washington Examiner.They gave her four Pinocchios for that one. She tried to stand by it. Then she went to the it illustrates my point anyway well. It was an early misstep and one that won't sink her, but it was a misstep for sure. I definitely agree with your point that she can’t fuck up because people will pounce but I think her point about why are some statements just get ignored while hers are seized upon is fair. No one writes “The right needs to be careful that Tom Cotton doesn’t represent the party” but he’s as far right as she is left and he’s considered in the mainstream.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 1:34:23 GMT
So her position is that the rich need to pay a higher share of taxes. It's an extremely popular position ... Come on ... of course it's popular! "Mr. LTL, on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being 'Strongly Disagree' and 7 being 'Strongly Agree', how would you react to this statement: 'Somebody other than you should pay more in taxes'?" So? It's pretty funny to me that holding a position that 75 percent of Americans agree with is considered radical. The percentage of income that goes to the top 20 percent (or 10 percent, or wherever you want to draw the line) is far, far higher now than it was 30 or 50 years ago. Why shouldn't we expect that group to bear a larger share of the tax burden too?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 1:34:47 GMT
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s $21 trillion mistake“$21 TRILLION of Pentagon financial transactions ‘could not be traced, documented, or explained.’ $21T in Pentagon accounting errors. Medicare for All costs ~$32T. That means 66% of Medicare for All could have been funded already by the Pentagon.”The figure she's citing is one economist's estimate of waste in the DoD. But as WaPo writes: Regardless, in the situation Skidmore is describing, the $21 trillion is not one big pot of dormant money collecting dust somewhere. It’s the sum of all transactions — both inflows and outflows — for which the Defense Department did not have adequate documentation. “The same dollar could be accounted for many times,” as Philip Klein wrote in the Washington Examiner.They gave her four Pinocchios for that one. She tried to stand by it. Then she went to the it illustrates my point anyway well. It was an early misstep and one that won't sink her, but it was a misstep for sure. I definitely agree with your point that she can’t fuck up because people will pounce but I think her point about why are some statements just ignored while hers are seized upon fair. No one writes “The right needs to be careful that Tom Cotton doesn’t represent the party” but he’s as far right as she is left and he’s considered in the mainstream. I appreciate the input and info, but your statement that “no one” does such and such and “everyone” doesn’t do so-and-so are a little out of the YankeeFan debate playbook. (And probably out of the @dickwhitman playbook at times.)
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 14, 2019 1:35:56 GMT
If the rich make more, and are paying a similar percentage in taxes, aren’t they also paying a greater percentage of the overall taxes than ever before?
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Post by doctorquant on Jan 14, 2019 1:38:34 GMT
Come on ... of course it's popular! "Mr. LTL, on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being 'Strongly Disagree' and 7 being 'Strongly Agree', how would you react to this statement: 'Somebody other than you should pay more in taxes'?" So? It's pretty funny to me that holding a position that 75 percent of Americans agree with is considered radical. The percentage of income that goes to the top 20 percent (or 10 percent, or wherever you want to draw the line) is far, far higher now than it was 30 or 50 years ago. Why shouldn't we expect that group to bear a larger share of the tax burden too? It's not that it's radical. It's that you're evaluating its merits on its popularity. Of course it's popular ...
Besides, that group has wound up bearing a larger share, a much larger share.
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Post by lcjjdnh on Jan 14, 2019 1:40:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 1:42:44 GMT
If the rich make more, and are paying a similar percentage in taxes, aren’t they also paying a greater percentage of the overall taxes than ever before? And if you think we're all good because a person making $50,000 puts $10,000 in for taxes and a person making $500,000 puts $100,000 in, you're in the other 25 percent of that poll. Also: I don't believe this is necessarily true. I believe those measures are based on taxable income. That of course precludes 401k/IRA income and other tax shields, as well as mortgage interest, and those are utilized in astronomically greater measure by the wealthy. A household with $300,000 in "taxable income" most likely makes $400,000 or more in actual pre-tax income, which means their share of income that goes to taxes is lower than stated in those studies.
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Post by sharky, Hunter’s text buddy on Jan 14, 2019 1:43:01 GMT
The top marginal rate was 70% under Reagan ... until the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 (signed into law on Aug. 13 of 1981). That’s like saying “Obama was fine with federal restrictions on embryonic stem cell research.” That kind of disingenuous b.s. is beneath you. FWIW I took it to mean him saying "here's how recent this 70 percent rate was," not that it was enacted by Reagan. I don't think he's trying to mislead anyone. Oh I don't agree with it at all, bringing up that it was under Reagan definitely comes with the implication that he was good with it. Otherwise just say the dates.
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Post by ecwyanks on Jan 14, 2019 1:45:16 GMT
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Post by doctorquant on Jan 14, 2019 2:20:05 GMT
I’ve said it before, but the need for GOP politicians and talking heads to pwn AOC is a stupid strategy. This is true, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 2:23:16 GMT
Has no idea whatsoever how to pay for any of the things she proposes, but truly believes they're possible. Hold on. Sure she does. By raising the marginal tax rate, no?
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Post by Da Man on Jan 14, 2019 2:24:38 GMT
She's young and attractive. Loves the spotlight. Worked on Sanders campaign. She's left of Sanders. Unseated longtime Dem in primary. Has no idea whatsoever how to pay for any of the things she proposes, but truly believes they're possible.
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