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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 11, 2023 14:59:48 GMT
Al Gore supports the claim. He really doesn't, but keep on trying to prop up your failed argument based on an invalid study by arguing for keeping young people as ignorant as possible. Al Gore believes "one of the main reasons" of why there is a "mental health crisis around the world" is because young people see that we have not yet solved the climate crisis. Do you think that's a logical cause and effect that would drive someone in good mental health into a mental health crisis, or do you think this is a reaction fueled by political activists, in which kids have gotten caught in the crossfire? Al Gore isn't suffering from mental health issues, and he's been concerned about climate change for decades. Barack Obama says he's concerned about climate change, but he bought two waterfront mansions, so it does not seem to have paralyzed him with fear. So, why is it so debilitating for kids?
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Dec 11, 2023 15:22:26 GMT
I think there's a lot of truth to this hypothesis. After more than a decade of stability or improvement, the mental health of adolescents plunged in the early 2010s. Rates of depression, anxiety, self-harm, and suicide rose sharply, more than doubling on most measures. Why?
In The Anxious Generation, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt lays out the facts about the epidemic of teen mental illness that hit many countries at the same time. He then investigates the nature of childhood, including why children need play and independent exploration to mature into competent, thriving adults. Haidt shows how the “play-based childhood” began to decline in the 1980s, and how it was finally wiped out by the arrival of the “phone-based childhood” in the early 2010s. He presents more than a dozen mechanisms by which this “great rewiring of childhood” has interfered with children’s social and neurological development, covering everything from sleep deprivation to attention fragmentation, addiction, loneliness, social contagion, social comparison, and perfectionism. He explains why social media damages girls more than boys and why boys have been withdrawing from the real world into the virtual world, with disastrous consequences for themselves, their families, and their societies.
Most important, Haidt issues a clear call to action. He diagnoses the “collective action problems” that trap us, and then proposes four simple rules that might set us free. He describes steps that parents, teachers, schools, tech companies, and governments can take to end the epidemic of mental illness and restore a more humane childhood.
Haidt has spent his career speaking truth backed by data in the most difficult landscapes—communities polarized by politics and religion, campuses battling culture wars, and now the public health emergency faced by Gen Z. We cannot afford to ignore his findings about protecting our children—and ourselves—from the psychological damage of a phone-based life.I think so too. The main driving factor, in my humble estimation, on top of the obvious attention-span and socialization issues, is the ease with which people can be bullies and assholes digitally.
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Post by Whitman on Dec 11, 2023 15:28:07 GMT
My kid’s entire life is lived through his computer and phone screens. At least he is communications with actual kids he knows in the real world, though.
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Post by Whitman on Dec 11, 2023 15:28:53 GMT
He really doesn't, but keep on trying to prop up your failed argument based on an invalid study by arguing for keeping young people as ignorant as possible. Al Gore believes "one of the main reasons" of why there is a "mental health crisis around the world" is because young people see that we have not yet solved the climate crisis. Do you think that's a logical cause and effect that would drive someone in good mental health into a mental health crisis, or do you think this is a reaction fueled by political activists, in which kids have gotten caught in the crossfire? Al Gore isn't suffering from mental health issues, and he's been concerned about climate change for decades. Barack Obama says he's concerned about climate change, but he bought two waterfront mansions, so it does not seem to have paralyzed him with fear. So, why is it so debilitating for kids? Sample size of two adults. Case closed!
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 11, 2023 15:34:01 GMT
I think so too. The main driving factor, in my humble estimation, on top of the obvious attention-span and socialization issues, is the ease with which people can be bullies and assholes digitally. I think it can always be hard to know if your kid is being subject to bullying, but cyberbullying takes it to a while new level. Just as 10 cranks on twitter can be made to be seen as a huge mob, a kid can flooded with messages on their phone, in such a short time, and it will make them think that their life is ruined. I have a client/friend -- super nice guy, and wildly successful professionally -- who's son (at a $30,000+ private school) was cyberbullied, and took their own life, before the parents even realized there was a problem.
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 11, 2023 15:36:57 GMT
Al Gore believes "one of the main reasons" of why there is a "mental health crisis around the world" is because young people see that we have not yet solved the climate crisis. Do you think that's a logical cause and effect that would drive someone in good mental health into a mental health crisis, or do you think this is a reaction fueled by political activists, in which kids have gotten caught in the crossfire? Al Gore isn't suffering from mental health issues, and he's been concerned about climate change for decades. Barack Obama says he's concerned about climate change, but he bought two waterfront mansions, so it does not seem to have paralyzed him with fear. So, why is it so debilitating for kids? Sample size of two adults. Case closed! LOL. I know some adult libs are traumatized by it too. Hell, there were libs who were so traumatized by Trump's election that they could have sex with their partners. But that's fringe. Lots of kids are struggling, and if it's because the "earth is on fire" as Al Gore attributes a large part of the problem, it's because they've been taught to fear this, and that's fucked up. You might as well tell them there's a Boogie Man in the closed as you say goodnight, and shut the bedroom door.
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Post by Whitman on Dec 11, 2023 15:43:50 GMT
Sample size of two adults. Case closed! LOL. I know some adult libs are traumatized by it too. Hell, there were libs who were so traumatized by Trump's election that they could have sex with their partners. But that's fringe. Lots of kids are struggling, and if it's because the "earth is on fire" as Al Gore attributes a large part of the problem, it's because they've been taught to fear this, and that's fucked up. You might as well tell them there's a Boogie Man in the closed as you say goodnight, and shut the bedroom door. Thermoneters were invented to be mean to Republicans.
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Post by oop on Dec 11, 2023 16:00:02 GMT
He really doesn't, but keep on trying to prop up your failed argument based on an invalid study by arguing for keeping young people as ignorant as possible. Al Gore believes "one of the main reasons" of why there is a "mental health crisis around the world" is because young people see that we have not yet solved the climate crisis. Do you think that's a logical cause and effect that would drive someone in good mental health into a mental health crisis, or do you think this is a reaction fueled by political activists, in which kids have gotten caught in the crossfire? Al Gore isn't suffering from mental health issues, and he's been concerned about climate change for decades. Barack Obama says he's concerned about climate change, but he bought two waterfront mansions, so it does not seem to have paralyzed him with fear. So, why is it so debilitating for kids? I would have to read it again, but I don't think he fear of climate change alone was driving young people insane. In his argument, it is one of the stressors that lead to mental health issues in young people. Anxiety disorders are a significant mental health problem. Are you suggesting we should tell young people the world is perfect and they have nothing to worry about so they can avoid such issues? Good luck with that.
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Dec 11, 2023 16:10:43 GMT
This reminds me of Louis CK’s bit about talking to his 7-year-old daughter. And I’ve found myself in similar situations more often than I care to admit:
And she goes, “Daddy, does the earth go around the sun?” And I was like, “Yeah.”
She goes, “Does it do it all the time?” And I go, “Yeah.”
She says, “Will the earth always go around the sun forever?” And I was like, “Well, no. At some point, the sun’s gonna explode.”
She’s seven years old. She started crying immediately. Crying bitter tears for the death of all humanity.
And here’s how I tried to save it. I go, “Oh, honey, this isn’t gonna happen until you and everybody you know has been dead for a very long time.”
She didn’t know any of those things, and now she knows all of those things. She’s gonna die. Everybody she knows is gonna die. They’re gonna be dead for a very long time, And then the sun’s gonna explode. She learned all that in 12 seconds.
She’s like, “oh. Dude. Okay, well… I guess I’ll go play.”
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Dec 11, 2023 16:14:56 GMT
My kid’s entire life is lived through his computer and phone screens. At least he is communications with actual kids he knows in the real world, though. I can’t be the only one who notices the complete lack of eye contact from a lot of kids. It’s a hallmark of autism, so it’s naturally on the forefront of my mind, but I see it all the time, and the vast majority of those times in kids deemed to be “neurotypical.” A million Internet dollars says those kids have WAY too much screen time.
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Post by Whitman on Dec 11, 2023 16:50:32 GMT
The problem with the argument being pushed by YankeeFan is that it assumes its premise, i.e. that man-caused global warming/climate change is either a hoax or an innocent mis-reading of the data but, either way, it is not occurring. From these liberal parents' standpoint, it is occurring. So what do you suggest they do? Lie about it? And presuming that one believes that it is occurring, then, yes, it seems like something a child or adolescent would rightfully be anxious about, even though Barack Obama bought a house.
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Post by gordonbombay on Dec 11, 2023 17:06:33 GMT
The idea that actual mental health issues are caused by climate change is insane, its minimizing to the real mental issues kids and all humans face (and their causes) and Al Gore is a fricking grifter whose claims on the matter should be ignored.
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Post by Whitman on Dec 11, 2023 17:11:42 GMT
The idea that actual mental health issues are caused by climate change is insane, its minimizing to the real mental issues kids and all humans face (and their causes) and Al Gore is a fricking grifter whose claims on the matter should be ignored. Wgat is so implausible about it?
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Post by Whitman on Dec 11, 2023 17:12:36 GMT
I had very serious anxiety about nuclear war when I was a kid.
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Dec 11, 2023 17:15:14 GMT
The problem with the argument being pushed by YankeeFan is that it assumes its premise, i.e. that man-caused global warming/climate change is either a hoax or an innocent mis-reading of the data but, either way, it is not occurring. From these liberal parents' standpoint, it is occurring. So what do you suggest they do? Lie about it? And presuming that one believes that it is occurring, then, yes, it seems like something a child or adolescent would rightfully be anxious about, even though Barack Obama bought a house. The easiest way to lose a kid’s attention is to discuss proactive measures to fight a long-term, slow-moving problem with no obvious or easy solution.
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