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Post by sharky, Hunter’s text buddy on Dec 21, 2020 6:37:33 GMT
Who says it’s perfectly fine? Less harmful is a long ways from perfectly fine. Which is ironic to me, because the same people who favor legalizing pot are often in favor of banning cigarettes.
I don’t think this is necessarily true
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Post by asthecrowflies on Dec 21, 2020 7:00:00 GMT
Yes. Its immediate effects are at least analogous to alcohol, in terms of how it impairs your judgment and motor functions, and I believe marijuana's addictive qualities -- particularly those of more modern strains -- are often wildly underestimated.
Also, it doesn't make sense to say that if you ingest cigarette smoke into your lungs then it's a death sentence, but if you ingest marijuana smoke into your lungs it's perfectly fine and there will be no bad effects whatsoever. You've got to be doing some kind of damage to yourself any time you inhale any kind of smoke into your lungs.
This is anecdotal, but I’ve never encountered a person high on weed who get violent when intoxicated. I know *tons* of people who are angry drunks, who get into trouble when they drink, including a few friends. The idea that those two substances could be considered equal as far as overall damage being done seems impossible to me. I get kinda silly drinking heavily or smoking, but it takes a lot of alcohol to get me drunk, and it only takes like half a joint to get me high. It’s much more cost effective, although I haven’t had the pleasure since the wife got pregnant and then COVID happened. Also anecdotal, but the happiest store I've been in since COVID started was a pot shop in Blythe, California.
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Dec 21, 2020 13:12:46 GMT
Who says it’s perfectly fine? Less harmful is a long ways from perfectly fine. There seems to be a heavy push to legalize marijuana, which is often started by touting its medicinal benefits. If it's not outright stating that marijuana use is perfectly fine, there seems to be a large implication that it is. Which is ironic to me, because the same people who favor legalizing pot are often in favor of banning cigarettes. Which also implies that inhaling one type of smoke into your lungs is OK, but the other is downright evil.
I’m not sure the bolded part is true, but for argument’s sake: Let’s say the average pot-smoker smokes an eighth a day (which seems high to me, but what do I know). And let’s say the average cigarette smoker smokes a pack a day (which seems low to me). An eighth of marijuana is about a quarter the amount of tobacco in a pack of cigarettes. Not to mention all the other shit in cigarettes, and the fact that cigarettes are undisputedly highly addictive in ways that marijuana just isn’t. It’s not an apples-to-apples comparison.
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Post by shotglass on Dec 21, 2020 14:42:42 GMT
This is anecdotal, but I’ve never encountered a person high on weed who get violent when intoxicated. I know *tons* of people who are angry drunks, who get into trouble when they drink, including a few friends. The idea that those two substances could be considered equal as far as overall damage being done seems impossible to me. I get kinda silly drinking heavily or smoking, but it takes a lot of alcohol to get me drunk, and it only takes like half a joint to get me high. It’s much more cost effective, although I haven’t had the pleasure since the wife got pregnant and then COVID happened. I have, and I have remained quite functional, commentary to the contrary notwithstanding.
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Post by JC on Dec 21, 2020 16:23:08 GMT
Who says it’s perfectly fine? Less harmful is a long ways from perfectly fine. There seems to be a heavy push to legalize marijuana, which is often started by touting its medicinal benefits. If it's not outright stating that marijuana use is perfectly fine, there seems to be a large implication that it is. Which is ironic to me, because the same people who favor legalizing pot are often in favor of banning cigarettes. Which also implies that inhaling one type of smoke into your lungs is OK, but the other is downright evil.
Should we ban everything that is not good for you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 16:36:33 GMT
There seems to be a heavy push to legalize marijuana, which is often started by touting its medicinal benefits. If it's not outright stating that marijuana use is perfectly fine, there seems to be a large implication that it is. Which is ironic to me, because the same people who favor legalizing pot are often in favor of banning cigarettes. Which also implies that inhaling one type of smoke into your lungs is OK, but the other is downright evil.
I’m not sure the bolded part is true, but for argument’s sake: Let’s say the average pot-smoker smokes an eighth a day (which seems high to me, but what do I know). And let’s say the average cigarette smoker smokes a pack a day (which seems low to me). An eighth of marijuana is about a quarter the amount of tobacco in a pack of cigarettes. Not to mention all the other shit in cigarettes, and the fact that cigarettes are undisputedly highly addictive in ways that marijuana just isn’t. It’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. I think Batman is generally right re: the average pro-pot/anti-smoking advocate, but their argument has nothing to do with the issue of health.
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Post by shotglass on Dec 21, 2020 19:31:00 GMT
There seems to be a heavy push to legalize marijuana, which is often started by touting its medicinal benefits. If it's not outright stating that marijuana use is perfectly fine, there seems to be a large implication that it is. Which is ironic to me, because the same people who favor legalizing pot are often in favor of banning cigarettes. Which also implies that inhaling one type of smoke into your lungs is OK, but the other is downright evil.
I’m not sure the bolded part is true, but for argument’s sake: Let’s say the average pot-smoker smokes an eighth a day (which seems high to me, but what do I know). And let’s say the average cigarette smoker smokes a pack a day (which seems low to me). An eighth of marijuana is about a quarter the amount of tobacco in a pack of cigarettes. Not to mention all the other shit in cigarettes, and the fact that cigarettes are undisputedly highly addictive in ways that marijuana just isn’t. It’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. I'll take your point one step further. An eighth of an ounce should be just fine for two weeks for anyone who isn't smoking on an hourly basis.
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Post by batman on Dec 21, 2020 19:35:35 GMT
There seems to be a heavy push to legalize marijuana, which is often started by touting its medicinal benefits. If it's not outright stating that marijuana use is perfectly fine, there seems to be a large implication that it is. Which is ironic to me, because the same people who favor legalizing pot are often in favor of banning cigarettes. Which also implies that inhaling one type of smoke into your lungs is OK, but the other is downright evil.
Should we ban everything that is not good for you? Some people seem keen on trying.
And to restate an earlier point, I really don't care if weed is legal or illegal at this point. It appears many in the country want it to be legalized and have taken the appropriate steps to change the law. It's how our system is designed to work. While I'm not a fan of it, and do not use it (and have never,and never will use it), to each their own. The weed missionaries who seem intent on preaching the Gospel of Pot are insanely annoying, but you do you.
My original point was that there needs to be some sort of federal regulation or guidelines on it to clarify the patchwork set of laws we're now getting. The current climate will lead to confusion and chaos on the issue. If that ultimately leads to full legalization with the same sort of laws that govern alcohol, then so be it. And comparing weed to alcohol, as I said, is because the two are analogous in many ways even if their effects are different. Both can impair motor skills and judgment, so they should both be (and I believe in many cases are) covered under DUI laws. If you show up to work drunk you should be fired. If you show up to work high you should be fired. And, on the business end, both should be regulated to some degree to ensure quality control, health standards and business standards. Basically, all the things that come with producing a legal food/drug item.
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Post by shotglass on Dec 21, 2020 19:38:16 GMT
My stock answer doesn't really address your point, and it comes without empirical proof. But anyway ...
I'd much rather be on an interstate with 10 stoned drivers around me than 10 drunks.
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Post by sharky, Hunter’s text buddy on Dec 21, 2020 19:40:37 GMT
I think I read once that the average amount in a joint is .02 ounces.
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Post by shotglass on Dec 21, 2020 19:49:43 GMT
And, of course, a typical joint isn't a one-person-gets-high proposition. That's good for quite a few hits.
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 21, 2020 20:03:39 GMT
If you get a medical marijuana card, does that remove all/some of the sales tax applied to the sale?
The taxes on the stuff alone here are enough to make smoking/ingesting it undesirable.
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Post by Wolfenstein on Dec 21, 2020 20:15:37 GMT
If you get a medical marijuana card, does that remove all/some of the sales tax applied to the sale? The taxes on the stuff alone here are enough to make smoking/ingesting it undesirable.
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Post by sharky, Hunter’s text buddy on Dec 21, 2020 20:20:52 GMT
If you get a medical marijuana card, does that remove all/some of the sales tax applied to the sale? The taxes on the stuff alone here are enough to make smoking/ingesting it undesirable. I've only purchased weed once here. No medicinal card. I found the prices to be quite reasonable, at least compared to my favorite $50 bottle of rum.
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Post by YankeeFan on Dec 21, 2020 20:50:56 GMT
If you get a medical marijuana card, does that remove all/some of the sales tax applied to the sale? The taxes on the stuff alone here are enough to make smoking/ingesting it undesirable.
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