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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Jun 19, 2024 15:03:21 GMT
This is definitely something we ALL need to be concerned about. On a scale of 1 to Hillary Clinton's banquet outfit, what is your level of concern regarding bisexual married women coming out? I mean, it’s basically an insurrection.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jun 21, 2024 15:58:49 GMT
Can you name all three flags?
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Post by pallister on Jun 21, 2024 16:29:41 GMT
Flash, Green Lantern and Gay Black Panther.
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Post by ecwyanks on Jun 21, 2024 18:58:28 GMT
Can you name all three flags?
Macy Gray should incorporate some of the leather boy flag into her USA flag
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Post by YankeeFan on Aug 1, 2024 18:33:06 GMT
The homophobia in this article is outrageous.
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Post by YankeeFan on Aug 26, 2024 12:13:03 GMT
Quite an achievement.
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Post by TyWebb on Aug 26, 2024 13:18:03 GMT
As someone who claimed to be a big advocate for transgender people, at least at some point, does it bother you when the tweeter you're quoting calls them males and not transgender women? Also, I'm curious what you would prefer these transgender women do? Continue to play with men? Form their own transgender league? This is an honest question by the way, not an attempt to mock or trap you. I think the transgender in sports conversation is an interesting one and one of the few around transgenders that is actually worth having. I tend to lean on the side of inclusion until I see actual evidence of "women's sports being destroyed."
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Post by Whitman on Aug 26, 2024 13:38:01 GMT
As someone who claimed to be a big advocate for transgender people, at least at some point, does it bother you when the tweeter you're quoting calls them males and not transgender women? Also, I'm curious what you would prefer these transgender women do? Continue to play with men? Form their own transgender league? This is an honest question by the way, not an attempt to mock or trap you. I think the transgender in sports conversation is an interesting one and one of the few around transgenders that is actually worth having. I tend to lean on the side of inclusion until I see actual evidence of "women's sports being destroyed." I’m firmly anti-inclusion, and I think your bar is too low. A good comparison, I think, is legal gambling. Do we need evidence that betting on your own team would destroy sports? Not in modern times, at least. But it inherently undermines the integrity of the sport, I think. At what point do we decide transgender inclusion is problematic enough to bar it? Twenty percent of the athletes? Over 50 percent?
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Post by gordonbombay on Aug 26, 2024 13:51:13 GMT
I’m just confused about the Women’s Premier League being in Australia. Apparently the British is the “Super League.” Who knew
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Post by TyWebb on Aug 26, 2024 13:59:15 GMT
As someone who claimed to be a big advocate for transgender people, at least at some point, does it bother you when the tweeter you're quoting calls them males and not transgender women? Also, I'm curious what you would prefer these transgender women do? Continue to play with men? Form their own transgender league? This is an honest question by the way, not an attempt to mock or trap you. I think the transgender in sports conversation is an interesting one and one of the few around transgenders that is actually worth having. I tend to lean on the side of inclusion until I see actual evidence of "women's sports being destroyed." I’m firmly anti-inclusion, and I think your bar is too low. A good comparison, I think, is legal gambling. Do we need evidence that betting on your own team would destroy sports? Not in modern times, at least. But it inherently undermines the integrity of the sport, I think. At what point do we decide transgender inclusion is problematic enough to bar it? Twenty percent of the athletes? Over 50 percent? That's a fair point, and admittedly I haven't thought too much about what that threshold would be, or if there would ever be one. I mainly think the good inclusion does far outweighs the potential negatives of competitive disadvantage. But I know that opens the door for a "greater good" philosophical argument that no one wants to go down. There's also a not of nuance that I'm not smart enough to be able to consider, like when some began transitioning how that affects development. And I also think there is a separate discussion about combat sports and athlete safety.
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Post by YankeeFan on Aug 26, 2024 14:52:38 GMT
As someone who claimed to be a big advocate for transgender people, at least at some point, does it bother you when the tweeter you're quoting calls them males and not transgender women? I wouldn't have worded it that way. I would have at least referred to them as biological males, which they are. And, I looked at the Daily Mail's twitter feed for a less biassed/aggressive version of the tweet, but didn't find it. I think it's fine to accept them as, and to call them, women in day-to-day situations, where their sex at birth is not relevant, and gives them no advantage. But I think their sex at birth is relevant in something like a sporting competition, or when we're talking about if a trans woman should be housed in a female jail, or be allowed in shelter for women who have been victims of sexual assault. And, at some level, I think women and girls should be allowed to create female only spaces, that does allow them to restrict trans women. This soccer club was started as a lesbian soccer club, according to the Mail article. It seems a little fucked up that this safe space, created by lesbians must now allow biological males into the club. Also, I'm curious what you would prefer these transgender women do? Continue to play with men? Form their own transgender league? This is an honest question by the way, not an attempt to mock or trap you. I think the transgender in sports conversation is an interesting one and one of the few around transgenders that is actually worth having. I tend to lean on the side of inclusion until I see actual evidence of "women's sports being destroyed." I mean, at some level, couldn't they just... not play soccer? I like playing baseball and/or softball. But I kind of suck at it. (Except for on the co-ed softball team, representing the marketing department at a major airline, where I was one of the very best players, which tells you a lot about how good that team was.) I suppose I could find a pick up league, where I could play a little, and mostly suck, but the other option is to not play. But I certainly wouldn't look to play with women or children, to create a situation where I was all of a sudden one of the best players. That would be fucked up. And, maybe this kind of thing isn't "destroying women's sports" but it certainly ruined the experience for a bunch of female soccer players in Australia. And I'm not sure why the rights of the trans women are more important than the rights of the other women.
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Post by Whitman on Aug 26, 2024 15:04:21 GMT
I have to say I agree with YankeeFan here on most of this. As far as the wording, I'd use the term "trans-gender women" or "biological males." I'm sure it would be difficult to satisfy the language police, but journalism used to have a little more steel in the spine about that kind of criticism.
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Post by TyWebb on Aug 26, 2024 15:09:55 GMT
I mean, at some level, couldn't they just... not play soccer? I like playing baseball and/or softball. But I kind of suck at it. (Except for on the co-ed softball team, representing the marketing department at a major airline, where I was one of the very best players, which tells you a lot about how good that team was.) I suppose I could find a pick up league, where I could play a little, and mostly suck, but the other option is to not play. But I certainly wouldn't look to play with women or children, to create a situation where I was all of a sudden one of the best players. That would be fucked up. And, maybe this kind of thing isn't "destroying women's sports" but it certainly ruined the experience for a bunch of female soccer players in Australia. And I'm not sure why the rights of the trans women are more important than the rights of the other women. I think the bolded is an unfair mischaracterization of what transgender athletes are doing in general. There may be very few specific cases, but overall I think they just want to play with the gender to which they identify. But just not playing doesn't really seem like a fair expectation, especially if it's a sport that they really enjoy. It would be forcing them to make a trade in order to be their true selves. No other marginalized group has to make that trade. "You can be gay, but you can't play baseball." Your last point, the rights of trans women vs the rights of "other women," is an interesting one but I think unfair. The right that trans women want is to be able to play a sport. No one is telling "other women" they don't have the right to play. So what is the right of the "other women" that is at stake here? The right to win? Does anyone have that right? Maybe the right to play on what they consider a level playing field? The right to play at all vs. the right to play on a level playing field. I lean toward the former, mostly because there is no such thing as a level playing field.
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Post by Whitman on Aug 26, 2024 15:15:54 GMT
Why separate men's and women's sports into genders at all, then?
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Post by Whitman on Aug 26, 2024 15:17:08 GMT
I mean, at some level, couldn't they just... not play soccer? I like playing baseball and/or softball. But I kind of suck at it. (Except for on the co-ed softball team, representing the marketing department at a major airline, where I was one of the very best players, which tells you a lot about how good that team was.) I suppose I could find a pick up league, where I could play a little, and mostly suck, but the other option is to not play. But I certainly wouldn't look to play with women or children, to create a situation where I was all of a sudden one of the best players. That would be fucked up. And, maybe this kind of thing isn't "destroying women's sports" but it certainly ruined the experience for a bunch of female soccer players in Australia. And I'm not sure why the rights of the trans women are more important than the rights of the other women. No other marginalized group has to make that trade. "You can be gay, but you can't play baseball." What about the theater and/or film? "Hamilton" notwithstanding, no one would reasonably argue that Michael B. Jordan should play Bob Dylan.
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