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Post by oop on Jun 5, 2023 0:37:39 GMT
I said nothing of the kind. What you just did would be like asking if you and YankeeFan are saying that African American and Latino students aren't good enough for the top schools. Would that be fair to you? What I said is that admitting a high percentage of Asian students does not make up for not admitting enough African American and Latino students. It doesn't. Not all minority groups face the same issues, so lumping them all together makes little sense. It is absolutely fair to start asking questions when an ongoing trend of those schools leaving out students who are in certain minority groups reaches an all-time low. So how would you determine the criteria for taking away admittance from Asians? Or would you just take all those spots from white students? What's your solution? A process that seems to find a way to repeatedly leave out two minority groups deserves to be questioned. Maybe it is fair and there is nothing to see here, but why is it you are so doggedly defending a process when there is at least enough smoke to investigate? Why are you assuming the school is right in choosing so few African American and Latino students? |
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Post by oop on Jun 5, 2023 0:40:16 GMT
This is a new low in an ongoing trend of including an incredibly small number of students from those groups. If it was one year, you could dismiss it as one year that a larger percentage of white and Asian students were the most qualified, but the numbers were low the previous two years as well. At the very least, it is worth a story looking into it. That said, your ignorance regarding the role of a newspaper really was one of the dumber arguments I've seen you make, and that's saying something. The problem, such that it is, is created before it comes time to apply to the selective enrollment schools. So, it makes no sense to try to solve this problem at that point, by altering admission numbers. Like an all star or world cup roster, if you want to argue that someone left off should be on the roster, then you need to make the case for who they should replace. Who should lose a spot to allow for more Black students, and why? What is the actual problem here? And will the problem be solved by admitting more Black students? What percentage of the school should be Black, and why? Also, it should be pointed out that many of the talented Black students who would be good candidates for this school have other options. Funny how you went looking for a way to justify it after the fact. Your story is they are all going to private schools? I'd like to see actual numbers backing that up, not just a columnist's opinion. Of course, you don't care about that as long as he fits into your side of the argument. Hell, you even cited a guy who leans left! |
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Post by oop on Jun 5, 2023 0:42:07 GMT
Other options is the LAST thing someone like oop wants. So, are you just going to keep making up both sides of the conversation here? As things stand, you are showing no interest in having an honest discussion. |
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Post by dirtybird on Jun 5, 2023 0:47:49 GMT
This is a new low in an ongoing trend of including an incredibly small number of students from those groups. If it was one year, you could dismiss it as one year that a larger percentage of white and Asian students were the most qualified, but the numbers were low the previous two years as well. At the very least, it is worth a story looking into it. That said, your ignorance regarding the role of a newspaper really was one of the dumber arguments I've seen you make, and that's saying something. The problem, such that it is, is created before it comes time to apply to the selective enrollment schools. So, it makes no sense to try to solve this problem at that point, by altering admission numbers. Like an all star or world cup roster, if you want to argue that someone left off should be on the roster, then you need to make the case for who they should replace. Who should lose a spot to allow for more Black students, and why? What is the actual problem here? And will the problem be solved by admitting more Black students? What percentage of the school should be Black, and why? Also, it should be pointed out that many of the talented Black students who would be good candidates for this school have other options. I would suggest that naming a test the SHAT was a poor idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 1:37:01 GMT
The problem, such that it is, is created before it comes time to apply to the selective enrollment schools. So, it makes no sense to try to solve this problem at that point, by altering admission numbers. Like an all star or world cup roster, if you want to argue that someone left off should be on the roster, then you need to make the case for who they should replace. Who should lose a spot to allow for more Black students, and why? What is the actual problem here? And will the problem be solved by admitting more Black students? What percentage of the school should be Black, and why? Also, it should be pointed out that many of the talented Black students who would be good candidates for this school have other options. I would suggest that naming a test the SHAT was a poor idea. Standardized tests here are called the SOLs. You'd think SOMEONE on these committees coming up with these things would point out the absurdity of these acronyms. |
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Post by gordonbombay on Jun 6, 2023 13:28:47 GMT
Today I learned that the local high school does notl name a valedictorian. They have a No 1 ranked student. He gave a speech at graduation. But was told not to use that word.
Wtf is that all about
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Post by oop on Jun 6, 2023 13:36:31 GMT
Today I learned that the local high school does notl name a valedictorian. They have a No 1 ranked student. He gave a speech at graduation. But was told not to use that word. Wtf is that all about That is odd. I'm sure we could make some assumptions regarding the reasoning, but it might make sense to actually ask someone with the district or the school principal the question first. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Jun 6, 2023 13:42:31 GMT
Today I learned that the local high school does notl name a valedictorian. They have a No 1 ranked student. He gave a speech at graduation. But was told not to use that word. Wtf is that all about More kids should shove this shit up administrator's asses. First line in the speech should have been, "I am honored to be your valedictorian." |
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Post by oop on Jun 6, 2023 13:52:48 GMT
Today I learned that the local high school does notl name a valedictorian. They have a No 1 ranked student. He gave a speech at graduation. But was told not to use that word. Wtf is that all about More kids should shove this shit up administrator's asses. First line in the speech should have been, "I am honored to be your valedictorian." I'd still like to know why it was done, but yeah, that would be a fair point. I wonder if they would take the microphone away from the student. Schools do put restrictions on what students can say in those speeches. They make it a condition of putting them up there. I don't agree with it, but that's how it was done. My high school gave out empty diploma covers at graduation as a way to try to keep students in line. We would receive the actual diplomas later. I guess the implied threat is that they would withhold the piece of paper we had earned if we didn't behave. That didn't stop my brother from telling our high school principal to go fuck himself as he received the empty cover. (Long story, but it was absolutely justified.) He insisted that the principal was too drunk to notice. The guy wasn't drunk for my graduation, but I did see behavior at other school events that made us think he had been drinking. |
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Jun 6, 2023 14:06:20 GMT
Meh. It’s just another word for “nerd” anyway.
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Post by gordonbombay on Jun 6, 2023 14:56:47 GMT
He did say it in his speech, got a nice pop from the parents. The school asked the newspaper not to call him that in the photo cutline. Whole thing is very odd
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Post by oop on Jun 6, 2023 18:07:53 GMT
He did say it in his speech, got a nice pop from the parents. The school asked the newspaper not to call him that in the photo cutline. Whole thing is very odd If I was writing that story, I'd avoid using the word in my text, but I'd be sure to quote the kid saying it. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 8, 2023 14:56:59 GMT
100%. Instead, tests like this are being eliminated in the name of equity.
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Post by oop on Jul 8, 2023 17:22:38 GMT
100%. Instead, tests like this are being eliminated in the name of equity. Sowell was born in 1930, so that would have happened in the early 1940s. You are just assuming educators are doing the same things now that they 80 years ago, which just demonstrates your ignorance. Why do you want to keep pushing tests that are clearly flawed and unfair to people of color? |
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 8, 2023 17:30:16 GMT
You are an idiot oop. Not allowing a standardized test to help evaluate kids is like denying a baseball scout a radar gun. |
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