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Post by batman on Apr 4, 2024 18:53:46 GMT
Where I think it got political was the backlash to even suggesting that any of those drugs might show promise. Trump saying "it looks promising" or "I've got a good feeling about it" doesn't necessarily mean they're wonder drugs for this application, but that they might have potential. Everybody was looking for that silver bullet. But as soon as he said those things, the "horse paste" narrative was thrown out and any benefit ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine might have had — good, bad or neutral — was immediately dismissed and anyone who even floated it out there was branded a dangerous lunatic. Remember the whole Joe Rogan thing?
That's one of the real scandals of COVID, is how people lost jobs and careers for reporting or suggesting things that were later proven to be true or, at worst, not entirely false. There was a real campaign waged on that front that no one in power at the time (Fauci and some of governors and local politicians, to name a few) has paid a serious price for.
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Post by gordonbombay on Apr 4, 2024 19:02:31 GMT
There were literally thousands of large clinical trials conducted around the world in that first year looking for something, anything, that could be repurposed to treat COVID. Very few of them worked at all, and if they did, the clinical benefit was negligible. Many if not most of which were adjudicated on cable television before they were completed or peer reviewd, is all I’m sayin
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Apr 4, 2024 19:30:40 GMT
But as soon as he said those things, the "horse paste" narrative was thrown out and any benefit ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine might have had — good, bad or neutral — was immediately dismissed and anyone who even floated it out there was branded a dangerous lunatic. This is just not true. Medical professionals around the world spent millions of man hours studying and testing both of those drugs’ safety and effectiveness in COVID patients. That some people on teevee and the Internet were very mean about it doesn’t negate that fact. Journalists have rarely ever shined reporting on complex health issues, especially ones that have strong political overtones, and COVID was a new low for them as well.
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Post by Whitman on Apr 4, 2024 19:33:30 GMT
But as soon as he said those things, the "horse paste" narrative was thrown out and any benefit ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine might have had — good, bad or neutral — was immediately dismissed and anyone who even floated it out there was branded a dangerous lunatic. Remember the whole Joe Rogan thing? I think you are downplaying this by writing that people "floated it out there." People were into it, and it became a political football for the right every bit as much as it was for the left.
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 4, 2024 19:47:27 GMT
So your theory is that we essentially should just start throwing whatever drugs at whatever problems, and hope it works? The hydroxycloroquine and Ivermectin stories were some of the weirdest I've ever seen in this weird country. Where it became a political act to urge off-label us of very specific drugs. I think almost everyone operated in good faith, and at the beginning of COVID, it did make sense to try already approved drugs, with few side effects, to see what worked, especially drugs that might at least help ease symptoms, if not cure the disease. And, a lot of folks thought Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin helped. Now, that anecdotal may have been a coincidence. Maybe healthy people who took those drugs were going to recover quickly anyway. But again, yes, in a country as big as ours, many doctors trying different, safe treatments, could have led to a breakthrough in treatment, when we had nothing. The crazy thing to me is that pharmacies were refusing to even fill Ivermectin prescriptions because they were off label. For fuck's sake, the cancer drugs being used to treat gender dysphoria and the diabetes drug being used to treat obesity, are being used off label, and are having no issues getting filled. And, while I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I can understand why some people saw this as "Big Pharma" not wanting a cheap, drug, who's patent had long expired, to be used, when they were working on their own antivirals. I don't remember now, whether it was the CDC or FDA -- I think it was the CDC -- but why did they join in the ridiculing of Ivermectin as "horse paste"?
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 4, 2024 19:55:08 GMT
Funny enough, my wife takes Hydroxychloroquine. After a couple of years of weird, and what seemed like unrelated symptoms ranging from arm pain, rashes, sinus infections, and swollen adenoids, she was diagnosed with Sjögren syndrome, and prescribed Hydroxychloroquine by her rheumatologist. And, it seems to work wonders for her. She used to get prescribed steroid packs all the time, and every time she would get a cold, she would develop a sinus infection. The flue, or other illnesses would cause her to break out in a rash. And it was all her immune system just kicking in, and going crazy. But, in googling it now, to confirm the spelling, I looked at the Wikipedia, and it specifically says this about Hydroxychloroquine: Medical uses:
Hydroxychloroquine treats rheumatic disorders such as systemic lupus erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis, and porphyria cutanea tarda, and certain infections such as Q fever and certain types of malaria.[3] It is considered the first-line treatment for systemic lupus erythematosus.[12] Certain types of malaria, resistant strains, and complicated cases require different or additional medication.[3]
It is widely used to treat primary Sjögren syndrome but does not appear to be effective.[13] Hydroxychloroquine is widely used in the treatment of post-Lyme arthritis. It may have both an anti-spirochete activity and an anti-inflammatory activity, similar to the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis.[14]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine
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Post by Whitman on Apr 4, 2024 20:26:03 GMT
So your theory is that we essentially should just start throwing whatever drugs at whatever problems, and hope it works? The hydroxycloroquine and Ivermectin stories were some of the weirdest I've ever seen in this weird country. Where it became a political act to urge off-label us of very specific drugs. I think almost everyone operated in good faith, and at the beginning of COVID, it did make sense to try already approved drugs, with few side effects, to see what worked, especially drugs that might at least help ease symptoms, if not cure the disease. And, a lot of folks thought Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin helped. Now, that anecdotal may have been a coincidence. Maybe healthy people who took those drugs were going to recover quickly anyway. But again, yes, in a country as big as ours, many doctors trying different, safe treatments, could have led to a breakthrough in treatment, when we had nothing. The crazy thing to me is that pharmacies were refusing to even fill Ivermectin prescriptions because they were off label. For fuck's sake, the cancer drugs being used to treat gender dysphoria and the diabetes drug being used to treat obesity, are being used off label, and are having no issues getting filled. And, while I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I can understand why some people saw this as "Big Pharma" not wanting a cheap, drug, who's patent had long expired, to be used, when they were working on their own antivirals. I don't remember now, whether it was the CDC or FDA -- I think it was the CDC -- but why did they join in the ridiculing of Ivermectin as "horse paste"? I get all that, but it's weird that these particular drugs became a thing. Is that not weird?
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Apr 4, 2024 20:35:58 GMT
I think almost everyone operated in good faith, and at the beginning of COVID, it did make sense to try already approved drugs, with few side effects, to see what worked, especially drugs that might at least help ease symptoms, if not cure the disease. And, a lot of folks thought Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin helped. Now, that anecdotal may have been a coincidence. Maybe healthy people who took those drugs were going to recover quickly anyway. But again, yes, in a country as big as ours, many doctors trying different, safe treatments, could have led to a breakthrough in treatment, when we had nothing. The crazy thing to me is that pharmacies were refusing to even fill Ivermectin prescriptions because they were off label. For fuck's sake, the cancer drugs being used to treat gender dysphoria and the diabetes drug being used to treat obesity, are being used off label, and are having no issues getting filled. And, while I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I can understand why some people saw this as "Big Pharma" not wanting a cheap, drug, who's patent had long expired, to be used, when they were working on their own antivirals. I don't remember now, whether it was the CDC or FDA -- I think it was the CDC -- but why did they join in the ridiculing of Ivermectin as "horse paste"? It was the FDA, and that was among the dumbest “tweets” I’ve ever seen, which is really saying something. On the pharmacy thing, they’re not rubber stamps for doctors. They have an obligation, and the training, to evaluate a prescription and deny it if they believe it could be harmful. The reason they denied ivermectin is because it needs to be given in very specific doses and thus, it’s REALLY easy to OD on. That can cause some serious, if not permanent, damage to the patient, for little to no benefit.
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Post by gordonbombay on Apr 4, 2024 20:41:20 GMT
But as soon as he said those things, the "horse paste" narrative was thrown out and any benefit ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine might have had — good, bad or neutral — was immediately dismissed and anyone who even floated it out there was branded a dangerous lunatic. Remember the whole Joe Rogan thing? I think you are downplaying this by writing that people "floated it out there." People were into it, and it became a political football for the right every bit as much as it was for the left. Its all very strange that this was so public and so “badge of honory” Any system in which a patient goes to the doctor and says gimme this — be it horse paste during covid or whatever the newest pfizer thing on TV is — seems ass backwards
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 4, 2024 20:48:35 GMT
I think almost everyone operated in good faith, and at the beginning of COVID, it did make sense to try already approved drugs, with few side effects, to see what worked, especially drugs that might at least help ease symptoms, if not cure the disease. And, a lot of folks thought Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin helped. Now, that anecdotal may have been a coincidence. Maybe healthy people who took those drugs were going to recover quickly anyway. But again, yes, in a country as big as ours, many doctors trying different, safe treatments, could have led to a breakthrough in treatment, when we had nothing. The crazy thing to me is that pharmacies were refusing to even fill Ivermectin prescriptions because they were off label. For fuck's sake, the cancer drugs being used to treat gender dysphoria and the diabetes drug being used to treat obesity, are being used off label, and are having no issues getting filled. And, while I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I can understand why some people saw this as "Big Pharma" not wanting a cheap, drug, who's patent had long expired, to be used, when they were working on their own antivirals. I don't remember now, whether it was the CDC or FDA -- I think it was the CDC -- but why did they join in the ridiculing of Ivermectin as "horse paste"? I get all that, but it's weird that these particular drugs became a thing. Is that not weird? I mean, yes. It was weird. Part of it was because of Trump's talking about them, part of it was that there seemed to be a real reluctance to try these cheap, safe drugs.
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Post by TheSportsPredictor on Apr 5, 2024 0:13:06 GMT
Where I think it got political was the backlash to even suggesting that any of those drugs might show promise. Trump saying "it looks promising" or "I've got a good feeling about it" doesn't necessarily mean they're wonder drugs for this application, but that they might have potential. Everybody was looking for that silver bullet. But as soon as he said those things, the "horse paste" narrative was thrown out and any benefit ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine might have had — good, bad or neutral — was immediately dismissed and anyone who even floated it out there was branded a dangerous lunatic. Remember the whole Joe Rogan thing? That's one of the real scandals of COVID, is how people lost jobs and careers for reporting or suggesting things that were later proven to be true or, at worst, not entirely false. There was a real campaign waged on that front that no one in power at the time (Fauci and some of governors and local politicians, to name a few) has paid a serious price for. Examples?
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 6, 2024 15:25:46 GMT
New LongCOVID protocol just dropped: CBT, Graded Exercise Therapy and spinach.
Often girls and young women don’t realize that what they’re feeling is a sign of an iron deficiency because the symptoms can be subtle or can be dismissed as being due to other problems like poor sleep, she said.
According to Weyand, symptoms of iron deficiency include:
Fatigue. Cold extremities. Hair loss. Brittle nails. Cognitive issues like brain fog. Decreased athletic performance. Shortness of breath with exertion. Junk food cravings. Headache, lightheadedness. Sleep disorders.
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 13, 2024 13:24:13 GMT
Some great ideas on how to deal with a sick two-year-old.
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 27, 2024 20:59:38 GMT
This is a direct result of how Trump, and Red State governors, handled COVID vs. other world leaders.
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 30, 2024 12:41:07 GMT
She’s so close to figuring it out.
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