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Post by mizzougrad96 on Jul 10, 2019 14:49:35 GMT
BTW, what do we think of people who say things like, "I wanted to expose Epstein, but Graydon Carter wouldn't let me"? I mean, you feel like you've got evidence of a serial child rapist, who is free, and continuing to prey on young girls, and you let Graydon Carter just shut you down? Did you give your evidence to law enforcement, or anyone else? Which law enforcement would you propose going to? The same one that later offered him a deal with no jail time? I know you'd like to make this about the cowardly behavior of the media here (and Graydon Carter *is* a coward) but it kind of tap dances right past the whole part where the U.S. Attorney and future Secretary of Labor had all the evidence and just ... let him off easy. Yeah, it's stuff like that that makes me think that the prosecutors looked at the names involved and thought, "Yeah, we want no part of prosecuting that..." Unless we eventually get a list with so many names that we're all shocked and aghast at how many people were involved, I will be convinced that this is being covered up, or they pick a few people from the list and make them the fall guys for everybody else.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 10, 2019 14:51:08 GMT
Oh do you enjoy Bill Maher's comedy now? I have a hard time keeping up. I don't think it's funny. I think it's indicative of how much of an "open secret" the predation of both WJC and Epstein was. That it was treated as a joke is sick. And now, as we've seen before, everyone wants to tell us how they knew all along, and did everything they could to stop them, except for taking actual action.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 15:01:01 GMT
Oh do you enjoy Bill Maher's comedy now? I have a hard time keeping up. I don't think it's funny. I think it's indicative of how much of an "open secret" the predation of both WJC and Epstein was. That it was treated as a joke is sick. And now, as we've seen before, everyone wants to tell us how they knew all along, and did everything they could to stop them, except for taking actual action. You're twisting yourself into pretzels to try and blame anyone EXCEPT the current secretary of labor. It would be the credible thing to do to, like, blame the guy whom the Miami Herald showed us signed off on the biggest of sweetheart deals for him. Are you so invested in the Trump Cult that even a secretary of labor can't have a finger pointed at him? As I said, blame Preet (which you've already done), blame the media (which you've done), blame the society elite (done), but oh my gosh, it's very difficult to blame the actual US attorney's office that had all this information and ... tried to make it go away.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 10, 2019 15:03:23 GMT
BTW, what do we think of people who say things like, "I wanted to expose Epstein, but Graydon Carter wouldn't let me"? I mean, you feel like you've got evidence of a serial child rapist, who is free, and continuing to prey on young girls, and you let Graydon Carter just shut you down? Did you give your evidence to law enforcement, or anyone else? Which law enforcement would you propose going to? The same one that later offered him a deal with no jail time? I know you'd like to make this about the cowardly behavior of the media here (and Graydon Carter *is* a coward) but it kind of tap dances right past the whole part where the U.S. Attorney and future Secretary of Labor had all the evidence and just ... let him off easy. Ward "tried to stop" Epstein in 2003, well before Epstein cut his deal, so there's no reason for her to have thought that the FBI or the USA in Florida wouldn't take her evidence seriously, and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. So, that excuse is a non starter. And, look, I'm all for criticizing Acosta. I've never defended his deal. I've long thought it was bullshit, designed to protect others. If you think I'm invested in the Secretary of Labor, you're crazy. And, if you're going to agree that Carter is a coward, how do you defend the reporter who let him stop her from exposing a child rapist? He didn't let her publish her details in the magazine he ran. He didn't make her sign a nondisclosure agreement. So, what's her excuse?
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 10, 2019 15:07:47 GMT
I don't think it's funny. I think it's indicative of how much of an "open secret" the predation of both WJC and Epstein was. That it was treated as a joke is sick. And now, as we've seen before, everyone wants to tell us how they knew all along, and did everything they could to stop them, except for taking actual action. You're twisting yourself into pretzels to try and blame anyone EXCEPT the current secretary of labor. It would be the credible thing to do to, like, blame the guy whom the Miami Herald showed us signed off on the biggest of sweetheart deals for him. Are you so invested in the Trump Cult that even a secretary of labor can't have a finger pointed at him? As I said, blame Preet (which you've already done), blame the media (which you've done), blame the society elite (done), but oh my gosh, it's very difficult to blame the actual US attorney's office that had all this information and ... tried to make it go away. I'm not defending Acosta. At all. He made a bad deal. This has long been known. You, on the other hand are defending the person who said she knew all about his predation, all the way back in 2003, and allowed Graydon Carter to shut it down, and apparently moved on with her life, never to talk about it again for the next 16 years. Why? Apparently because she's a journalist. Even the Miami Herald, for all the praise they're receiving now, sat on the story for years. And, it was your favorite guy, Cernovich, is the guy who sued for the records. Funny that you're not praising him at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 15:07:51 GMT
If she felt strongly enough about it, maybe she should have done what the writers who wrote about Bryan Singer (initially for Esquire) did and take it to another magazine after the initial magazine killed it. I do know that a freelance female reporter has a lot less power, and a lot more to lose, in this scenario than one of the era's most legendary magazine editors. But sure, blame the person with the least amount of power here.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 10, 2019 15:18:51 GMT
If she felt strongly enough about it, maybe she should have done what the writers who wrote about Bryan Singer (initially for Esquire) did and take it to another magazine after the initial magazine killed it. I do know that a freelance female reporter has a lot less power, and a lot more to lose, in this scenario than one of the era's most legendary magazine editors. But sure, blame the person with the least amount of power here. Ronan Farrow also left NBC with his story when they wouldn't run it. But, yeah, I don't have any sympathy for anyone who would put something as important as their opportunity to write for magazines above protecting children from a serial rapist. How many victims do we think Epstein had post 2003? We saw the same thing with Weinstein, and Matt Lauer, among others. Women, who knew they were predators, were congratulating themselves for participating in a "whisper network" designed to protect potential victims. Wow! In the Sexual Predator Wars of the 2000s, you participated in a "whisper network"! I'm sure that protected the scores of women who, just entering the field, had no access to such a network.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 15:25:58 GMT
Is so telling that you have invented a scenario where the female reporter deserves the majority of your scorn, but the prosecutors who literally gave him a deal that let him serve no serious jail time can be yadda yadda yadda'd right past. How about a little praise for the reporter who didn't give up on the story and pursued it until it was airtight? www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/business/media/miami-herald-epstein.html
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 10, 2019 15:32:41 GMT
Is so telling that you have invented a scenario where the female reporter deserves the majority of your scorn, but the prosecutors who literally gave him a deal that let him serve no serious jail time can be yadda yadda yadda'd right past. How about a little praise for the reporter who didn't give up on the story and pursued it until it was airtight? www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/business/media/miami-herald-epstein.htmlNot sure where you’re getting “majority” from. Look, I don’t see any value to adding my voice to the chorus of those criticizing Acosta. It was obviously a bad deal. This has been known for a decade. You want me on the record? Cool. Acosta made a bad deal, for reasons I don’t understand, and which should be investigated. I do find it odd that no one is criticizing Ward, especially as she tries to paint herself as some kind of hero, who tried her best, but was shut down. Why do you spare her any criticism? Was there nothing she she could do, except push the knowledge that a serial predator was on the lose to the deep recesses of her brain for 16 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 15:33:07 GMT
In the tradition of YF constantly exposing us to liberal kooks ...
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Post by doctorquant on Jul 10, 2019 15:35:11 GMT
He's not wrong ... 0 is "a number" ...
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 10, 2019 15:36:16 GMT
And, I know many of you don’t get outside of your own media bubble, but the Epstein case has been a thing on the right for years. Now, that was largely in part peaches of the hope that it would take down Bill Clinton, but you are out of your mind if you think that no one focused on this until the Miami Herald got interested in it.
In fact, I’d say the opposite was true. Until they we’re ready to throw Bill overboard, which would still be “never” had Hillary won — the main stream media stayed away from this case for the same reasons the right wing was interested in it.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 10, 2019 15:39:52 GMT
Do we know of Ward at least participated in a whisper network?
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Post by YankeeFan on Jul 10, 2019 15:45:26 GMT
Is so telling that you have invented a scenario where the female reporter deserves the majority of your scorn, but the prosecutors who literally gave him a deal that let him serve no serious jail time can be yadda yadda yadda'd right past. How about a little praise for the reporter who didn't give up on the story and pursued it until it was airtight? www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/business/media/miami-herald-epstein.htmlI love that they admit that their interest in the story was initiated by internet to tie the Trump administration to the scandal. Ms. Brown was not the first journalist to report on the allegations against Mr. Epstein, who pleaded guilty in Florida in 2008 to charges of soliciting a minor for prostitution and served 13 months of an 18-month sentence. She got to work in 2017, shortly after Mr. Trump nominated Alexander Acosta to be secretary of labor. Ms. Brown knew that Mr. Acosta had handled Mr. Epstein’s prosecution while serving as the United States attorney in Miami.
They literally would have had no interest in the story of Clinton had won. And the Times sees nothing odd about that.
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Post by sharky, Hunter’s text buddy on Jul 10, 2019 15:49:55 GMT
In the tradition of YF constantly exposing us to liberal kooks ... Sweet Jesus that is some vile shit to say.
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