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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 12:17:30 GMT
I appreciate the input and info, but your statement that “no one” does such and such and “everyone” doesn’t do so-and-so are a little out of the YankeeFan debate playbook. (And probably out of the @dickwhitman playbook at times.) Ok let’s play this out with specifics. Can you find a piece in the mainstream media (we’ll call it anything to the right of Mother Jones or The Nation) that frets about the Republican Party becoming too much like Tom Cotton? That Republicans need to be careful that Cotton might be pulling the party to the right, and this could alienate voters? Cotton is extremely conservative. And he’s not a lunatic like Gomhert. He went to Harvard. He had a highly decorated military career and was elected to Congress at 34, not much older than AOC was when she was elected to Congress. He literally wants us to go to war with Iran now, thinks a CONSERVATIVE crime bill is too soft, he wrote to the mullahs of Iran asking them to ignore the president of the United States (when that pres was a Democrat) and wanted to put several journalists in jail for revealing illegal wire tapping. These are very conservative positions! I’m struggling to find the Politico piece that asks if the GOP should be concerned he might be the future of the party. When you tell me that he is as far right as she is left, you are just asking me if Joe Flacco is an elite quarterback. In this equation, @doubledown gets to set the center wherever @doubledown wants to establish the center, then argues from that premise. It’s a total rhetorical cheat but you want to try to write past that because that’s what people often let you do, when you’re either smarter than them, or they are so far in the tank they will cheer anything along these lines. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 14, 2019 12:27:13 GMT
Someone is feeling left out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 12:33:08 GMT
Oh FFS. Instead of playing these Socratic games, tell me how Tom Cotton is actually not as conservative as I think he is. Do, like, some reading. He’s was seen as a young star in the GOP when he came to Congress the same way AOC is now, yet you didn’t seem to share any concerning articles wondering if he was moving the party too tue right. So I’m asking: why is that? Is it because no such articles exist, or because centrists like yourself have accepted what I laid out in my original post: The only position considered too far to the right in the GOP is literal Nazi.
I believe I’m literally the first media person, btw, to write how stupid the “Is Flacco elite?” conversation was, and how irrelevant it was because you could always change the framing if you didn’t like the conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 12:40:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 12:42:34 GMT
Also, one reason “no one” wrote about Cotton was perhaps because “no one” in the GOP was criticizing him, on these grounds? It’s not like the NYT made all this up, right? It’s not an op-ed. Democrats themselves have been sounding the alarm.
Question: Did you vote for Hillary or Bernie? Why?
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Post by lcjjdnh on Jan 14, 2019 12:58:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 13:01:16 GMT
I predict he is going to challenge you to find a piece framed precisely the same way. Like I said, it’s the rhetorical move YankeeFan has made a career of here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 13:09:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 13:13:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 13:58:06 GMT
That precise story, that [insert right-wing nutjob here] is dragging the party too far right, has been written too many times to count, about a bunch of different people.
The sheer amount of nutjobs about whom this could be written is a big part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 14:02:03 GMT
I don’t think it has ever coalesced around one person the way it has around AOC. The Tea Party was a large group of newly elected Congressmen. No single one of them had anything close to this kind of platform.
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Post by YankeeFan on Jan 14, 2019 14:08:37 GMT
I think it's a joke to claim that AOC has gotten so much attention because of the criticism she's received from the right. Even the claims of criticism from the right are often dubious, such as the "she danced!!" episode.
Here's the secret: cable news, and other sources need content. AOC provides it. That she's young, pretty, and provocative helps, but like Trump, if you're willing to set yourself on fire, people will talk about you.
But, of course there is a middle ground. You're not going to get a lot of attention that you are so scripted that you never say anything interesting or spontaneous, and are unwilling to talk to the media.
Morning Joe pointed out repeatedly during the 2016 campaign that rival campaigns would complain about the amount of coverage they were giving Trump, but when they asked these same campaigns to make their candidate available for an interview, they would decline.
Most politicians are risk adverse. Neither AOC, nor Trump, are, so they're going to garner a lot of attention.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 14:31:18 GMT
I don’t think it has ever coalesced around one person the way it has around AOC. The Tea Party was a large group of newly elected Congressmen. No single one of them had anything close to this kind of platform. Like Don said, I think Sarah Palin is a good equivalent. I’m guessing the spotlight will shine on “AOC” no longer than it shone on Palin. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 14:33:07 GMT
I don’t think it has ever coalesced around one person the way it has around AOC. The Tea Party was a large group of newly elected Congressmen. No single one of them had anything close to this kind of platform. Like Don said, I think Sarah Palin is a good equivalent. I’m guessing the spotlight will shine on “AOC” no longer than it shone on Palin. Disagree there. She will be a congresswoman for a long time. |
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Post by Dr Boom 70 on Jan 14, 2019 14:40:43 GMT
Can someone bring me up to speed? Is her argument that the spotlight is being unfairly shined upon her?
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