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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 18:38:15 GMT
Are Kanye and Kyrie's views unique to them, or do they point to something larger in the African-American community? It seems to me that because African-Americans are seen as below Jews on the social justice scale, the issue of antisemitism among the community has not really been addressed, and until now, few have paid a price for it. And, because both groups are members of the Democratic Party coalition, there has been little interest in rocking that boat. But, now Ye has been made to pay a price. I think that's good. What's next. Does Kyrie lose his Nike deal, or face other repercussions? www.nike.com/w/kyrie-irving-shoes-892qazy7okCan African-American politicians still associate with antisemitics without paying a price?
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Post by Whitman on Nov 1, 2022 18:41:55 GMT
If anyone has followed the NBA the last few years, they are well aware that Kyrie Irving is nothing if not a reliable yellow dog Democrat.
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 18:43:10 GMT
Is this enough?
There seems to be this idea that if one person could just talk to someone like Kyrie or Ye, or could take them to tour a Holocaust Museum, that they could be magically cured of a lifetime of antisemitism, that's been ingrained in them for decades, and is pervasive in the communities in which they live and/or were raised.
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 18:47:41 GMT
If anyone has followed the NBA the last few years, they are well aware that Kyrie Irving is nothing if not a reliable yellow dog Democrat. The individual politics of Kyrie or Ye are not the issue here, and not central to any point I made. It's indisputable that African-Americans are a huge part of the Democratic Party coalition, and that the party cannot lose their grip on them and remain viable on a national level. @starman told me for years that antisemites were ejected from the Democratic Party decades ago. But, that's not true if some large portion of the African-American community holds these beliefs. Now, maybe Ye and Kyrie are outliers here, but I'm not sure the question has ever really been asked or investigated? If there is some evidence I'm unaware of, I'm interested in seeing it.
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Post by TheSportsPredictor on Nov 1, 2022 18:59:08 GMT
I would definitely cross the street if I saw that group of men walking down the sidewalk. Especially if it were nighttime, or close to it.
After all, they are all the same. I've seen enough Oz to know what happens in that situation.
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 19:05:58 GMT
Maybe it's only rappers and NBA stars.
Good on the Pulitzer Prize folks for not holding these views against Kendrick.
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Nov 1, 2022 19:12:15 GMT
Can African-American politicians still associate with antisemitics without paying a price?
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 19:17:59 GMT
Al Sharpton has an MSNBC gig and was a frequent visitor to the Obama White House.
His endorsement is highly sought by Democratic candidates.
But, he inspired a Pogrom in Brooklyn, and a deadly arson fire in Harlem.
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 19:21:38 GMT
Some of us are old enough to remember Jesse Jackson calling NYC Hymietown. Rev. Jesse Jackson referred to Jews as "Hymies" and to New York City as "Hymietown" in January 1984 during a conversation with a black Washington Post reporter, Milton Coleman. Jackson had assumed the references would not be printed because of his racial bond with Coleman, but several weeks later Coleman permitted the slurs to be included far down in an article by another Post reporter on Jackson's rocky relations with American Jews.
A storm of protest erupted, and Jackson at first denied the remarks, then accused Jews of conspiring to defeat him. The Nation of Islam's radical leader Louis Farrakhan, an aggressive anti-Semite and old Jackson ally, made a difficult situation worse by threatening Coleman in a radio broadcast and issuing a public warning to Jews, made in Jackson's presence: "If you harm this brother [Jackson], it will be the last one you harm."
Finally, Jackson doused the fires in late February with an emotional speech admitting guilt and seeking atonement before national Jewish leaders in a Manchester, New Hampshire synagogue. Yet Jackson refused to denounce Farrakhan, and lingering, deeply rooted suspicions have led to an enduring split between Jackson and many Jews. The frenzy also heightened tensions between Jackson and the mostly white establishment press.www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/jackson.htm
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Nov 1, 2022 19:23:23 GMT
If we’re posting “tweets” from Jack Fucking Posobiec, I think we’re just about done here.
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 19:23:25 GMT
LOL. Jesse L. Jackson made a dramatic appearance at a synagogue here tonight to admit that he had used the terms "Hymie" and "Hymietown" in referring to Jews and New York City in a private conversation, but categorically denied that he was in any way anti-Semitic or anti-Israel."I was shocked and astonished that this ethnic characterization made in a private conversation apparently was overheard by a reporter," Jackson said. "I am dismayed that a subject so small has become so large that it threatens relationships long in the making, and those relationships must be protected.""However innocent and unintentional, the remark was insensitive and it was wrong," Jackson said."In part I am to blame," he said, "and for that I am deeply distressed."www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1984/02/27/jackson-admits-to-ethnic-slur/1073f786-16e9-4e3b-baa2-0a7367cbb359/
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 19:25:52 GMT
If we’re posting “tweets” from Jack Fucking Posobiec, I think we’re just about done here. Fuck off. There's a link. It's just the easiest way to post the link. If what's posted is not true, say that.
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 19:29:01 GMT
Jackson seemed pretty comfortable with the idea that these views could be shared among fellow Blacks. Then came a statement that has evolved as a central part of the "Hymie" controversy: "Let's talk black talk," Jackson said.
That is a phrase that Jackson often uses to talk on what reporters call "background," one of several mechanisms used when sources want or are willing to tell something to a reporter but don't want to be identified. In print, those comments come out as information from an unnamed source, the pronouncements of a "senior official" or as "private conversation." But the assumption on both sides, unless some other arrangement is made explicitly clear, is that the substance of the conversation will someday find its way into print.
I don't know what Jackson says to white reporters when he wants to talk on background. But with me and other blacks, he has placed it in a racial context: "Let's talk black talk." I understood that to mean background, and I assumed that Jackson, an experienced national newsmaker now running for president, knew that no amnesia rule would apply. I signaled him to go on.
Jackson then talked about the preoccupation of some with Israel. He said something to the effect of the following: That's all Hymie wants to talk about is Israel; every time you go to Hymietown, that's all they want to talk about. The conversation was not tape recorded, and I did not take notes. But I am certain of the thrust of his remarks and the use of the words, "Hymie"and "Hymietown." I had not heard him use them before. I made a mental note of the conversation.www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1984/04/08/a-reporters-story/807486fd-b978-484d-8110-e5a544d072aa/
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Post by Ridiculously Dull Bobby on Nov 1, 2022 19:34:48 GMT
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Post by YankeeFan on Nov 1, 2022 19:49:33 GMT
That kind of talk isn’t Kosher. LOL
Back when NPR was willing to go after Dems.
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