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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 12:34:00 GMT
Don't you usually need to have a platform to debate anyway?
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Post by YankeeFan on May 24, 2022 13:44:05 GMT
Dems say in private what the rest of us are saying publicly.
But, we're crazy for saying it.
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Post by YankeeFan on May 24, 2022 14:06:39 GMT
Sounds like the conversations went on and on.
I guess without Andrew Cuomo to fall back on, the field is really wide open if it's not going to be Biden.
And yet many of the plugged-in Democrats wandered Pinehurst not entirely persuaded, calculating contingencies: If Biden’s health turned, or if his polling truly collapsed, which of the party’s governors might step up and save them from electoral ruin — and the nightmare of a Trump comeback?
Governor Roy Cooper — the conference’s host, who had twice won North Carolina in the same years the swing state was carried by Donald Trump — was the most frequent topic of shadow-campaign chatter. Governor Phil Murphy, the New Jerseyan whose national ambitions are among Washington’s worst-kept secrets, was a close second. Also in heavy rotation, according to Democratic power brokers in the mix (and familiar with months of similar conversations): Governor J. B. Pritzker, the billionaire hotel-chain heir from Illinois, and Governor Jared Polis, the Coloradan with a mandate-light approach to COVID. When the conversation stretched into the bar, it lingered on Governor Gavin Newsom, who is coasting to reelection after defeating a recall attempt in California, and Governor Gretchen Whitmer, who knows from personal experience about the rising threat of white nationalism in Michigan.
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Post by YankeeFan on May 24, 2022 14:14:12 GMT
This story is great.
I'm not saying that Obama is still running the show. Hell, he and Joe hate each other. Joe is not interested in what Obama thinks, and is desperate to climb out from under his shadow.
But, occasionally, someone will suggest it, and be laughed out of polite company.
But, now we learn that the upper echelon of the Democratic Party believes that Obama is still pulling the strings of the party, and they're desperate to be on the inside.
In the past few months, though, many of the Democratic Party’s biggest donors — even as they pledge to back Biden’s reelection in earnest — have quietly started to poke around for alternatives in 2024, partly out of a sense of responsibility just in case Biden steps aside. Several have bombarded Obama’s old associates with pleas for insight into some sort of top-secret real plan that must exist for the next presidential contest.
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Post by TheSportsPredictor on May 24, 2022 14:27:45 GMT
Dems say in private what the rest of us are saying publicly. But, we're crazy for saying it. The words “senile” and “dementia” not mentioned in that article.
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Post by YankeeFan on May 24, 2022 14:29:47 GMT
Dems say in private what the rest of us are saying publicly. But, we're crazy for saying it. The words “senile” and “dementia” not mentioned in that article. LOL. They're trying to be polite.
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Post by TheSportsPredictor on May 24, 2022 17:44:15 GMT
Sounds like Biden is a placeholder QB.
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Post by Da Man on May 24, 2022 19:18:36 GMT
Sounds like Biden is a placeholder QB. Too bad the upcoming draft is so weak.
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Post by jackfinarelli on May 25, 2022 0:35:51 GMT
I believe - - I do not KNOW but I believe -- that the reason the Democrats' bench is so short is that the Democratic power brokers have too much of a choke-hold on party endorsements - - and have for years. Hillary Clinton was anointed as the party nominee LONG before the nominal "primary season". Does anyone here recall the "Weekend-at-Bernies" opposition they tried to prop up as her "opponents"/"rivals"? Those early season "primary debates" were embarrassingly contrived.
Those power brokers hold sway in the party - - but they have been horribly out of touch with the electorate on several occasions in recent history. But they remain as the insiders and the folks who plot the course. What the Democrats really need is for a whole lot of those folks to disappear from the scene; problem is, they will only do so when they are no longer exchanging oxygen in the biosphere.
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Post by jaketaylor on May 25, 2022 1:14:51 GMT
I believe - - I do not KNOW but I believe -- that the reason the Democrats' bench is so short is that the Democratic power brokers have too much of a choke-hold on party endorsements - - and have for years. Hillary Clinton was anointed as the party nominee LONG before the nominal "primary season". Does anyone here recall the "Weekend-at-Bernies" opposition they tried to prop up as her "opponents"/"rivals"? Those early season "primary debates" were embarrassingly contrived. Those power brokers hold sway in the party - - but they have been horribly out of touch with the electorate on several occasions in recent history. But they remain as the insiders and the folks who plot the course. What the Democrats really need is for a whole lot of those folks to disappear from the scene; problem is, they will only do so when they are no longer exchanging oxygen in the biosphere. And the Republicans had the opposite problem where they had no control over how many candidates were in the primary and let an outsider completely take over. The presidential primary process is royally fucked.
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Post by jackfinarelli on May 25, 2022 15:59:17 GMT
jaketaylor, you are absolutely correct. The Republicans' problem in 2016 was a mirror image of the Democrats' situation. Neither extreme is a good situation.
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Post by YankeeFan on May 27, 2022 0:34:09 GMT
We all knew that, despite describing Trump as a unique, and existential threat to democracy, future Republican candidates would be immediately determined to be “worse than Trump”.
But Mike Pence? JFC. Mike Pence is a perfectly reasonable, standard issue Republican.
The media is full of shit.
(And, of course, 90% of what they accused Trump of was fake, even if he did wish for Pence to be beheaded on January 6th.)
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Post by jackfinarelli on May 27, 2022 1:21:38 GMT
For the record ... I ovted against Donald Trump in the Virginia Primary in 2016. I did not vote for him in 2016 - - nor did I vote for Hillary Clinton in that race. In 2016, I voted for "None of the above!"
In 2020, I voted for Joe Biden. Given that record, please do not try to label me as a "Trumper" because I am not.
Having said that, I am hugely disappointed in what the Democrats have done with their Congressional majorities and with President Boden's assurance that he knew how to work "across the aisle" to get things done. What has been done has been done with Parliamentary maneuvers and not by any sort of consensus building. And what has been done consists mainly of spending a ton of money that the government does not yet have. Is inflation a surprise to anyone ...?
Now, with that basis of disapproval for both parties, present me with Mike Pence as a candidate. I am not thrilled in any way by that thought and I would not expend even a moment's effort to support his candidacy.
HOWEVER, if you present me with the choice of Mike Pence or Donald Trump as our next President, please do not try to make me believe that Pence would be worse that Trump. We have 4 years of data to tell us that Trump is unqualified for the job and that Trump will put family benefits before country benefits. MAYBE Pence would do the same - - but we have no data to show that. Given that choice, I would cast my vote for Mike Pence on any day that ends in the letter "Y".
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Post by Liberal White Women on May 27, 2022 16:36:18 GMT
I'm not asking this to be a smart-ass: If Pence runs for the Republican nomination, what are the odds he is shot?
I'm being serious.
A sizable percentage of the voters he will be courting at rallies, campaign stops, diners, etc. are people who believe he was a traitor for allowing Biden and the Dems to "steal" the 2020 election. Some of those GOP voters may have been in the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
And Pence will be coming to them, seeking their vote.
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Post by doctorquant on May 27, 2022 16:40:42 GMT
They talk a good game, but when it comes down to it, they ain't gonna do shit.
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