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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 27, 2024 19:47:34 GMT
Siegel is an American citizen. Is Joe Biden really going to just let Hamas hold Americans, and use them in propaganda videos, without any consequences? What would you like Biden to give Hamas for them? Why not... just go and get them? We have military units designed for this. Surely we have intelligence. This isn't Tehran, or Mogadishu. Gaza is nearly secured. Khan Yunis is surrounded. Go in and get them. Letting Hamas know that any opposition will also result in the leadership in Qatar being taken into U.S. custody wouldn't hurt either.
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Post by dirtybird on Apr 27, 2024 20:15:15 GMT
What would you like Biden to give Hamas for them? Why not... just go and get them? We have military units designed for this. Surely we have intelligence. This isn't Tehran, or Mogadishu. Gaza is nearly secured. Khan Yunis is surrounded. Go in and get them. Letting Hamas know that any opposition will also result in the leadership in Qatar being taken into U.S. custody wouldn't hurt either. I mean, Israel also has those units, maybe better ones. And they've been frustratingly unable to extract hostages, which suggests it's probably not that easy. Also, asking "why hasn't more been done?" is just kinda being obtuse for the point of being mad. The only thing being done that you'll hear about before a hostage is rescued is negotiation. Anything else, we hopefully only hear about when it works (unless they want to put up videos of the corpses of American special forces, which sounds like it's own mess). So what you mean to ask is, why are these folks still hostages. And I don't have a concrete answer, other than to say it's probably similar to the reasons this whole thing has stretched as long as it has. (Can we just take Qatar's leadership into custody just like that? Shoulda done it earlier. They're kind of monsters. But it seems like telling them beforehand, like you lay out in your plan, would run into some issues)
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Post by pallister on Apr 27, 2024 20:23:42 GMT
Why not... just go and get them? We have military units designed for this. Surely we have intelligence. This isn't Tehran, or Mogadishu. Gaza is nearly secured. Khan Yunis is surrounded. Go in and get them. Letting Hamas know that any opposition will also result in the leadership in Qatar being taken into U.S. custody wouldn't hurt either. I mean, Israel also has those units, maybe better ones. And they've been frustratingly unable to extract hostages, which suggests it's probably not that easy. Also, asking "why hasn't more been done?" is just kinda being obtuse for the point of being mad. The only thing being done that you'll hear about before a hostage is rescued is negotiation. Anything else, we hopefully only hear about when it works (unless they want to put up videos of the corpses of American special forces, which sounds like it's own mess). So what you mean to ask is, why are these folks still hostages. And I don't have a concrete answer, other than to say it's probably similar to the reasons this whole thing has stretched as long as it has. (Can we just take Qatar's leadership into custody just like that? Shoulda done it earlier. They're kind of monsters. But it seems like telling them beforehand, like you lay out in your plan, would run into some issues) But it's hard! Liberals defending the administration's (non) approach sound like my 9-year-old when I tell her to clean her room.
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Post by pallister on Apr 27, 2024 20:42:04 GMT
Having that said, with the Afghanistan withdrawal not too far in the rear view, I wouldn't trust this administration to organize an Easter Egg Hunt much less a high-risk military rescue.
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 27, 2024 20:49:20 GMT
A. There are far fewer American citizens being held that Israeli citizens.
2. Israel has been held back from taking action, as we’ve pressured them into to negotiate towards a ceasefire that would include the hostages being freed.
iii. Hamas has turned down these agreements, and is now using Americans — with missing limbs — in propaganda videos.
It’s time to act.
Jimmy Carter would have launched a rescue operation by now.
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Post by dirtybird on Apr 27, 2024 20:54:44 GMT
I mean, Israel also has those units, maybe better ones. And they've been frustratingly unable to extract hostages, which suggests it's probably not that easy. Also, asking "why hasn't more been done?" is just kinda being obtuse for the point of being mad. The only thing being done that you'll hear about before a hostage is rescued is negotiation. Anything else, we hopefully only hear about when it works (unless they want to put up videos of the corpses of American special forces, which sounds like it's own mess). So what you mean to ask is, why are these folks still hostages. And I don't have a concrete answer, other than to say it's probably similar to the reasons this whole thing has stretched as long as it has. (Can we just take Qatar's leadership into custody just like that? Shoulda done it earlier. They're kind of monsters. But it seems like telling them beforehand, like you lay out in your plan, would run into some issues) But it's hard! Liberals defending the administration's (non) approach sound like my 9-year-old when I tell her to clean her room. To carry this nonsense logic through, you'd be of the opinion that Israel hasn't rescued more hostages simply because it's hasn't tried hard enough. And I suppose that would reflect a 9-year-old's understanding of the world. Now go ride off on your unicorn to magical rainbow land.
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Post by dirtybird on Apr 27, 2024 21:17:38 GMT
A. There are far fewer American citizens being held that Israeli citizens. 2. Israel has been held back from taking action, as we’ve pressured them into to negotiate towards a ceasefire that would include the hostages being freed. iii. Hamas has turned down these agreements, and is now using Americans — with missing limbs — in propaganda videos. It’s time to act. Jimmy Carter would have launched a rescue operation by now. So Israel is holding back it's elite commando rescue units becuase ... A. There are a lot of people to rescue 2. You think the US is pressuring them to not rescue hostages? iii. Something that is true, but unrelated to Israel using said elite units to rescue hostages. It's just a stunningly naive complaint because we gotta find something to complain about here. I'm deeply bothered by the fact there are any goddamn hostages. But I also know if there were some daring way to get those folks out, Israel's really competent military would've done it months ago. But whatever we or they have done to this point hasn't worked. And no amount of whining to no one is gonna make this anything other that a really, really difficult if not close to impossible thing to do. (You mean like the disastrous failure of a rescue operation the Carter admin launched in April of 1980? That didn't work so well. I imagine if the Biden admin did one of those, there'd be no credit for trying)
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Post by oop on Apr 28, 2024 17:37:29 GMT
We have no responsibility here? Thailand and the Philippines got their hostages out. Joe Biden was able to get Brittney Griner out of Russia. What's he doing here? We must have some intelligence as to where Americans are being held, right? We're just going to keep on waiting? How long was Griner held before Biden got her out? Also, you have ranted against Biden's solution there. Are you now advocating that the United States should pay off Hamas and/or Iran?
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 28, 2024 18:39:30 GMT
I wonder what the pressure on Biden would have been like if Griner had been forced to participate in a propaganda video, and she was missing half of one arm.
We have a trillion dollar military. If you we can’t operate in a neighborhood in Gaza, then we might as well cut our spending in half.
Our military has never been about just playing defense. It projects American power, and operates in enemy territory.
No American hostage is more than a mile or two from areas that are secure.
Hamas is a third world terrorist organization and the hostages are being held in the homes of UNRWA grade school teachers.
We really can’t go get them?
We really can’t pressure Qatar?
We really couldn’t have the entire leadership of Hamas, who live in Qatar, in the brig of a U.S. Naval vessel, within four hours of this post?
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Post by YankeeFan on Apr 28, 2024 21:57:04 GMT
The most disturbing part of this story is learning that Scarlett Johansson is married to a Regis grad.
That place is a nerd factory.
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Post by ecwyanks on Apr 29, 2024 0:17:24 GMT
Fauci also a Regis grad. Had a hs English teacher who went there. Good teacher, real good guy. He'd give us 6-8 question quizzes to see if we read the chapters in whichever book we were reading. It would be minor details you wouldn't know from reading the Cliffs Notes. He'd usually give us an extra credit question on sports or a movie, etc. One time the extra credit was -- this Regis center held Lew Alcindor to 37 points in a hs game.
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Post by dirtybird on Apr 29, 2024 1:03:49 GMT
Fauci also a Regis grad. Had a hs English teacher who went there. Good teacher, real good guy. He'd give us 6-8 question quizzes to see if we read the chapters in whichever book we were reading. It would be minor details you wouldn't know from reading the Cliffs Notes. He'd usually give us an extra credit question on sports or a movie, etc. One time the extra credit was -- this Regis center held Lew Alcindor to 37 points in a hs game. Oh that's very good.
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Post by ecwyanks on Apr 29, 2024 1:11:03 GMT
Fauci also a Regis grad. Had a hs English teacher who went there. Good teacher, real good guy. He'd give us 6-8 question quizzes to see if we read the chapters in whichever book we were reading. It would be minor details you wouldn't know from reading the Cliffs Notes. He'd usually give us an extra credit question on sports or a movie, etc. One time the extra credit was -- this Regis center held Lew Alcindor to 37 points in a hs game. Oh that's very good. it was classic. we were all like 'damn, you played against Kareem.'
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Post by batman on Apr 29, 2024 2:05:36 GMT
"John Fetterman continues to exude awesomeness" is not something I thought I'd say this time last year.
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Post by oop on Apr 29, 2024 16:58:54 GMT
What would you like Biden to give Hamas for them? Why not... just go and get them? We have military units designed for this. Surely we have intelligence. This isn't Tehran, or Mogadishu. Gaza is nearly secured. Khan Yunis is surrounded. Go in and get them. Letting Hamas know that any opposition will also result in the leadership in Qatar being taken into U.S. custody wouldn't hurt either. Why doesn't Israel just go and get them? They have military units designed for this. Theirs are every bit as well-trained as ours and they have better intelligence on the area.
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