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Post by YankeeFan on Oct 23, 2019 14:09:46 GMT
The media seems to love these stories, because the headlines — which is all most people see — make Trump look heartless. (Though, of course, he would have been treated the same way under another president.)
But, it’s interesting to me how the knives are out for the Astro’s’ guy, and at the same time, we’re supposed to feel badly for this guy.
And, while they give some details on his crimes, they get the character witness statements from the family, and the bit about the screwdriver in the pocket is presented at face value. Meanwhile, no reporting is presented to show that the victim was even sought out for comment by the reporter, not the prosecutors who handled his cases.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a statement Friday that Segovia Benitez was ordered removed to El Salvador by an immigration judge in October 2018 and has “an extensive criminal history.”
His convictions include corporal injury to a spouse, for which he received an eight-year sentence, assault with a deadly weapon, false imprisonment, narcotics possession, conspiracy to commit a crime and driving under the influence, ICE said. He remains in ICE custody pending removal, the agency said.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:31:55 GMT
NBC getting all advocate-y.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:40:31 GMT
They have nothing else to cover since the whistleblower thing fell apart.
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Post by YankeeFan on Oct 23, 2019 14:54:37 GMT
The reporter quotes his mother, his sister, a lawyer, and folks representing two different advocacy groups, who are supporting him.
They paraphrase “ family, advocates and lawyers”.
And, while we get a statement from ICE, we get nothing fro the case files, nothing nothing from the victim, and nothing from the prosecutors.
I’m guessing that the reporter isn’t wearing a purple wrist band.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 16:54:46 GMT
Are you questioning the sourcing of MAINSTREAM MEDIA?
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Post by lcjjdnh on Oct 23, 2019 18:36:30 GMT
The reporter quotes his mother, his sister, a lawyer, and folks representing two different advocacy groups, who are supporting him. They paraphrase “ family, advocates and lawyers”. And, while we get a statement from ICE, we get nothing fro the case files, nothing nothing from the victim, and nothing from the prosecutors. I’m guessing that the reporter isn’t wearing a purple wrist band. Give them credit—reaching out to ICE can be mighty controversial these days. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Oct 24, 2019 11:05:44 GMT
It’s not just that folks are accepting this story at face value. It’s not just that they don’t think a spousal abused should not be deported.
What I want to know is who can be deported.
I’ve yet to see any case where folks are like, “yeah, that guy should be deported.” (Well, except for Melania Trump and her parents.)
But, to own the cons, you must now be against deporting anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 11:11:59 GMT
It’s not just that folks are accepting this story at face value. It’s not just that they don’t think a spousal abused should not be deported. What I want to know is who can be deported. I’ve yet to see any case where folks are like, “yeah, that guy should be deported.” (Well, except for Melania Trump and her parents.) But, to own the cons, you must now be against deporting anyone. Lots of Astros fans on the Left. |
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Post by dirtybird on Oct 24, 2019 12:42:33 GMT
I mean, it remains weird to deport people who risked their lives for this country and have PTSD as a result. Especially when they spent more than 90 percent of their lives in this country.
It's more a case of deporting the guy because you CAN, not because it serves a ton of purpose.
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Post by YankeeFan on Oct 24, 2019 12:58:47 GMT
I mean, it remains weird to deport people who risked their lives for this country and have PTSD as a result. Especially when they spent more than 90 percent of their lives in this country. It's more a case of deporting the guy because you CAN, not because it serves a ton of purpose. A. You have no idea what his medical history is, including whether he has PTSD. 2. An immigration judge ordered his deportation. This would have happened regardless of who the president is, and is based on the law. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 13:13:34 GMT
A. You have no idea what his medical history is, including whether he has PTSD. 2. An immigration judge ordered his deportation. This would have happened regardless of who the president is, and is based on the law. A. Does anyone? It doesn’t look like his medical history or evidence of PTSD and TBI were admissible in his cases. 2. The guy has six felony convictions. I’d say that’s enough to merit deportation under normal circumstances. But, see A. If he has TBI and/or PTSD, it is incumbent on the U.S. military to provide treatment. |
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Post by YankeeFan on Oct 24, 2019 14:42:25 GMT
A. You have no idea what his medical history is, including whether he has PTSD. 2. An immigration judge ordered his deportation. This would have happened regardless of who the president is, and is based on the law. A. Does anyone? It doesn’t look like his medical history or evidence of PTSD and TBI were admissible in his cases. 2. The guy has six felony convictions. I’d say that’s enough to merit deportation under normal circumstances. But, see A. If he has TBI and/or PTSD, it is incumbent on the U.S. military to provide treatment. Sure. But how does the reporter wrote this, without asking the either the folks she is paraphrasing, or the subject of the article, for some documentation to back it up? His supporters said that when Segovia Benitez returned, he suffered from PTSD and a traumatic brain injury. He began self-medicating with alcohol and ran into trouble with the law, they said.How do you write this bit about the screwdriver, using a lawyer advocating for him as your source, without seeking a comment from the victim, the prosecutors, or without citing filings/evidence/testimony from the case? Attorney Thomas Sanchez said Segovia Benitez was represented by a public defender in the drug and domestic violence cases and should have been charged with misdemeanors instead of felonies.
“So, when we looked at the case we said if we can get a pardon for him for the aggravated felonies, which should have been misdemeanors in the first place, then he can become a citizen,” Sanchez said.
Sanchez said the assault with a deadly weapon charge stemmed from Segovia Benitez having a screwdriver in his pocket that he did not use. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 14:47:42 GMT
I won’t defend the reporting on this.
Few things are as extensively documented as traumatic brain injuries sustained during combat operations.
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Post by YankeeFan on Oct 24, 2019 14:56:42 GMT
I won’t defend the reporting on this. Few things are as extensively documented as traumatic brain injuries sustained during combat operations. Exactly. Which means this article is advocacy, not journalism, and people shouldn’t be falling for it. The same skepticism should be applied here as in the 7-year-old transgendered kid. You would think NBC should be granted more credibility that LifeSite News, the Daily Wire, or the Daily Caller, but it doesn’t. And, when you see an article like this, with such an agenda attached, it means you have to question everything NBC news publishes. |
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Post by dirtybird on Oct 24, 2019 15:34:53 GMT
I mean, it remains weird to deport people who risked their lives for this country and have PTSD as a result. Especially when they spent more than 90 percent of their lives in this country. It's more a case of deporting the guy because you CAN, not because it serves a ton of purpose. A. You have no idea what his medical history is, including whether he has PTSD. 2. An immigration judge ordered his deportation. This would have happened regardless of who the president is, and is based on the law. You're right. I have as much idea about his medical history as I do that he exists at all, which is to say he could entirely be made up to hurt your feelings. But people who have actually met him say he does. Maybe they're all lying. If you want to present something disputing that, I eagerly await it. And it's true it would've happend under any president, and it's our great shame. He's functionally an American, and an American jail is certianly a perfectly good place to put him for what he's done. In his conscious memory, he's a dude from LA. |
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